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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have some bad news about his legacy second-plane

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

yeah most people dont know about that. if you talk to an average person who knows his name, hes the guy who promotes a love ethic and criticized Obama on tv and some stuff about the black church. im not kidding when ive had a friend gasp when ive levered the lightest criticism against him. ive also had a prof act shocked when i said he was wrong about saying black schools need a "classical" education. i dont think ive ever met someone who didnt like him irl (i have been told online that im antiblack for criticizing him, and to leave him alone because hes old, I think thats how most people feel, they are atached to the idea of him) . he could retire now, and his impact on the world would still be a mostly positive one.

this is a fun vid of 6 black breadtubers talking about him. even when critiquing they still give him his flowers https://youtu.be/8S7-AqFAHck?si=tHPE2noRlEa0S2Lv

[–] axont@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's a symptom of not having many vocal, public leftist figures in the USA. In the 90s you really only had like two people, Cornel West and Noam Chomsky. The radicalism of the 60s and 70s had long since been smothered by the reactionary 80s, so literally between the early 90s all the way until Sanders in 2016, there just weren't a lot of public leftist voices.

West would be on TV in the 90s and 00s, which I think was a huge part of his legacy and image. He'd be on national TV saying stuff like systemic racism, or imperialism, and I remember he was even saying stuff about trans rights as far back as the early 90s. So he definitely had his place, I guess, but maybe he was one of the view that managed to fill the complete vacuum void of how empty/defeated the 90s were for leftists.

In any case, West's just a personality figure who likes doing speeches and selling books. You're right that he could retire now and have a mostly positive legacy. He's been correct his entire career about structural racism, but in essence he's just a professor and we can't expect him to have been a revolutionary or anything.

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

yeah i fully agree, i dont thinks hes a revolutionary but hes had such a positive influence it would take a whole lot of bullshit to undo that.

and I remember he was even saying stuff about trans rights as far back as the early 90s

i was a christian tween when i first heard him (someone well respected in the black church) talk positively of queer people and how homophobia in hip hop music was a problem. it meant a lot.