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[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 74 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Watching a bunch of assholes "debate" (read: regurgitate canned talking points on cue) who are only going to lose the primary to a bigger asshole, who is even in the room, is kinda pointless. Especially when said bigger asshole already lost one general election and may well be on track to lose an other one., So, we could either watch losers who are losing to a loser; or, spend our time more productively. Like say, insulting said losers on the internet. Not a hard choice.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (5 children)

We need to be mindful that he can win the general election too. Lots of angry white racists out there and even more evangelicals.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No need to get white into it, racist is sufficient. Trump has plenty of black and Hispanic supporters. I don't know if they are all racists, but they are definitively assholes.

[–] Wooster@startrek.website 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah… he lost the general election, but only by a hair, and a LOT of work went into grabbing last minute votes.

The most dangerous thing you can do is be complacent.

We need to vote and we need to get others to vote.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Ya, while I was being flippant about it, I do agree that Trump has a very real chance of winning the General Election. I well remember the noise over polling in 2016 and Nate Silver's epic rant (he was right) about how the data should be looked at.

I'm curious to see how things shake out in the General Election this time around. And I wonder if Biden's Campaign will lean into Trump's criminal actions. In 2016, Trump's campaign pushed the "lock her up!" narrative over Clinton's email server. Now that we have clear evidence of Trump mishandling, hiding and attempting to hang onto clearly marked classified information (some of which is clearly SCI or NNPI), will we get choruses of "lock him up!"? At the same time, Trumpets seem to revel in Trump's crimes and prosecution as almost a badge of honor and/or an underdog fighting "the man". The irony of Trump pretty much being the definition of "the man" seems lost on his supporters. But hey, no one ever said politics has to make sense.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

i think the orangewad literally killed his margin by turning covid into a liberal fever dream.

[–] dyathinkhesaurus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Does this mean they eventually got "tired of winning"? Or are they now trying to win at losing too?

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Demagogues always need to project an image of control, power and invincibility, reality be damned. I'd expect more of the same from them, and it's why it's important to keep pointing out their failures. By proving how weak and vulnerable they are, it helps to break the narrative they are trying to build. It's all about perception, facts are less important than belief. But, facts can be useful in shaping belief.

[–] Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

"Successful" failures. AKA disgraces of humanity.