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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (118 children)

That’s basically the argument I make to normies when I explain why I don’t vote for the Dems. They take the left (I mean the broader “left”) for granted, so just handing over our votes and demanding nothing return means you get nothing. And we’re at the point now that the Dems aren’t even throwing the most basic of bones to the left.

Breaking up the railroad strike has been my go-to example. Demanding that Dems support unions other than when it’s convenient for them (and unobtrusive to capital) is the most basic demand the left can make, and it’s one that I’ve found that regular ass libs I know irl have a hard time arguing against.

[–] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (116 children)

They'll bend over backwards to compromise with republicans but they won't bend a finger to compromise with us. Why should I care if their political project fails?

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (115 children)

Why should I care if their political project fails?

Because people get hurt.

Democrats might suck as far their desire, willingness, and ability to implement actual leftist reforms, but they are not as purposefully cruel. Suffering is real, more suffering is worse than less suffering, and one party is openly sadist.

Also, one party will make your goal of making the world a better place (which I assume is your ultimate goal) much more risky than the other. Why would you make your goal more difficult to achieve out of spite?

(This is your cue to bring up black vans at BLM and say that Democrats are no better).

I realize that the Democrats are not going to bring about communist utopia, but as a trans person, one party winning power makes me scared of going about daily life, makes me wonder if my medication will be banned, whether I'll be prohibited from public areas because of my identity -- the other doesn't. But I guess you don't care about any of that.

If you think voting Democrat will make your revolution less likely or take longer, and you are willing to let harm happen to make it happen faster than you are an accelerationist - a morally tenuous position at best.

[–] MiguelParenti@hexbear.net 54 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Trans liberation will NOT come from voting democrat

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Nobody said this, I don't know what the point is to bring this up.

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