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[–] Decoy321@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (5 children)

There's a separate level of unfairness here:

Right side is making $16-$25 per hour.

Left side has an hourly rate that's almost always less than minimum wage. This is allowed because of the assumed tip income.

[–] hockeyboss77@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Depends on what state you live in. For example, CA requires wait staff to be paid at least minimum wage. Also, many cooks are also receiving minimum wage.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All wait staff have to be paid minimum wage, it's a federal law. If they don't make minimum wage in tips, then the employer has to make up the difference.

[–] Mudkipology@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Which is a massive pain in the ass to actually track and prove, and employees who do it don't tend to stick around for long. Especially if you (like me) live in an at-will employment state where no reason for dismissal is required.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Plus, waiters have to deal with client bullshit directly.

[–] pascal@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

You're saying we should tip IT support?

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Left side has an hourly rate that’s almost always less than minimum wage. This is allowed because of the assumed tip income.

This part depends on the state, thankfully. Seems phased out on most of the West coast, to my knowledge. I know it's still pretty widespread in the south.

[–] Illegal_Prime@dmv.social 4 points 2 years ago

Being phased out in DC too. That said, the transition period has been rough, many places are now using service fees to cover the costs, which makes sense but the fact that it’s still so inconsistent causes great annoyance.

Then again, so do tipping expectations, what exactly am I paying for? Can I opt out? What legally constitutes a tipped employee? WHY ARE THERE TIPPING OPTIONS AT FAST FOOD PLACES NOW!?

Overall, a clusterfuck that I’m happy to see is dying out, (I’ve also heard that it’s racially and sexually unjust.)

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

And depending on where you are left side has to pay a portion of their tip to the kitchen and runners as well.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Here in Ontario everyone has to be paid minimum wage but, tips are still very expected. Kinda bugs me since they prob make more than I do lol

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Kinda bugs me since they prob make more than I do lol

No idea what it's like up north but the highest hourly job I've ever had was serving tables in college. Over a week it averaged out to $25-45/hr depending on the season and some other factors. Did it for about a year before the stress and irregular hours made it not even worth that much money. But it definitely changed how I perceived wait staff.