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What if the Pac-12 and Mountain West changed the way college conferences operate by borrowing an idea from European soccer leagues?

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[–] wjrii@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Oh, there's a million problems with it, though of course there are problems in the current CFB system too.

One of the dirty little secrets in soccer is that Pro/Rel only REALLY works well in England and maybe Germany. Germany requires significant ownership stakes (nominally a majority) from fans, and England's supporter culture is so localized and balkanized that it's pretty slow for fan support to be wicked away to the big clubs, and the Premier League's TV money is so massive (sound familiar?) that getting in even for a year is a massive boon to the Championship teams that come up (cue Ted Lasso...), so it's a prize that stimulates interest.

As for Title IX, I'd say the PAC-MWC thought experiments (since that's really all they are for now) would probably not have major implications. They probably will have to be legally and administratively one conference, and the other sports could either not do it at all, or have their own schemes, and (critically) the amounts of money are not so ridiculous that the difference is likely to kill off sports. Hypothetically, it could be considered nothing more than a tweak on performance-based payouts, plus a different approach to scheduling. Now, if you start having the SEC and B1G looking at it, and there are department-changing amounts of money in play, then yeah, it's going to be an issue.

More generally, yeah, Title IX is just not built for a world where colleges are running the number 4 and 7 (or whatever... you get the idea) spectator sports leagues in the country. It's another case of the NCAA and Congress burying their heads in the sand. If they would stop pretending that FBS football players are exactly the same as the Tennis team, then they could properly offer a balanced and equitable extracurricular athletic program to their students with scholarship opportunities matching their student body. MBB too, but that's cheaper to run and only 13 scholarships, so while still an exercise in cognitive dissonance, it unbalances things much less.

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think you bring up a good point here with the potential structure of a PAC/MWC merger of sorts. But with respect to the Bundesliga, I don't think pro/rel works that well. And I say that as a Bayern fan. Even in the most competitive years, it's usually one of Dortmund, Bayern, and rarely Leipzig and Leverkusen that challenge for the title. But you're spot on with the fan ownership requirements. The only exceptions are for Wolfsburg (majority owned by Volkswagen, I believe) and Leverkusen.

[–] wjrii@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't follow the Bundesliga that closely, but it seems more like fan ownership probably helps avoid some of the worst repercussions that kill off broad interest in any club in Italy or Spain or several other smaller leagues. In Germany, if you go down, it's still your team, the people in your town literally own it, and I imagine it keeps a core fanbase that's ready to flare back up and bring out the casual fans again if they get promoted. I'll defer to you about whether relegation fights and 2 Bundesliga promotion are of much general interest.

In a lot of countries, the top 2-6 clubs are just so desperately far ahead of everyone, and the revenue streams so dependent on the single club itself, that promotion and relegation just doesn't mean very much. No one (relatively speaking) cares about the bottom half of the table anyway, so why should we care which teams spend the next season in the Eerstedivisie or the Segunda?

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Eerstedivisie

You know, it's an interesting thing you bring up Belgium, because the Belgian Pro League is basically Europe's version of the Mountain West (strongest league below the top tier). But agreed with respect to fan ownership and interest. Shame this model can't take off. I suppose colleges are kind of like that, but it's still a struggle.