THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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The only justification for that (idiotic) philosophy was that you could just mail the ticket to the owner of record. But here, the car was reported stolen. They didn't have the driver's ID. Can't exactly send the thief's ticket to the owner of the car.
I wonder how many lives have been saved by cops shooting fleeing felons. This kid would have been one of them.
Okay, but now the situation is infinitely worse than if they simply let him go.
Who cares if they get away? Use a drone to follow if you care that much.
So, he drives off at high speed, police stop their pursuit. He eventually ditches the car and escapes because there is nobody around to arrest him.
What stops him from doing the same thing tomorrow? The next day? What stops him from telling his criminal buddies how he got away? What stops them from doing the same thing?
How many 5-year-olds are going to be hit in all the high-speed escapes that the criminals adopt when they realize the cops won't pursue?
You haven't thought this through.
Police solve less than half of violent crimes and less than 25 percent of theft.
So their poor results get slightly more poor, but that kid would still be alive? Bet.
Pull your head out of your ass. This one thief is going to keep stealing cars, keep fleeing at high speed. He's not going to put this kid at risk once. He's going to do it dozens of times. And now, with no cops near him when he does kill that kid, he's going to escape and do it some more.
You're not saving this kid. You're killing more.
So get him on the next one without a chase, or sell the police tank and invest in drones. Cops speeding around like maniacs isn't the answer. I can see that even with my head up my ass that there must be a smarter way.
Do better, is all I'm saying.
If the article is accurate (always a sizable 'if') "a trooper tried to conduct a traffic stop." They didn't yet know the car was stolen.
But that's moot to me. If they had known the car was stolen, that still wouldn't merit the risk of chasing the perp all across Oldham County.
If the car was reported stolen, the plate would be tagged in their plate reader system. He'd know it was stolen before he flipped on the lights.
If we aren't going to have police stop car thieves, why do we even have police?
Is a stolen car worth what happened here? Is it worth even the risk of what happened here? My answer is no and no.
Apparently the driver thought it was. Thats why they fled over in your own words, a nothing traffic ticket. They chose to drive in a dangerous manner that caused a fatal accident because they calculated that it was worth the risk to get away.
Do you believe the driver would've driven as fast, as dangerously, and had the same fatal wreck had he not been pursued by police?
Knowing he can evade police just by accelerating, yes, I do. And I think he would steal more cars, and drive them more recklessly, because he knows he can get away with it. I think he would put many more kids at risk. I think many more people would choose to steal cars in the same fashion,, putting many many more kids at risk.
Setting the precedent that criminals merely need to do dangerous shit to avoid all consequences for their crimes will produce for worse outcomes.
Chase them harder, stop them faster. The most I would be willing to compromise is statutory leniency for immediate compliance.
Who are you going to catch? GPS tracks the car, not the joyriding prick who stole it.
How?
They drove off at a hundred miles an hour, and you didn't chase them. They are miles away when they decide to ditch the car and run.
How are you going to arrest him when he gets out?
What stops him from repeating this performance the following day? Or the next?
With all the cars he's going to be stealing, and police deliberately avoiding him, how are they goin to catch him when he hits a kid?
The car is NOT tracked on a map. That's not how GPS works.
GPSes work by calculating their position from three satellites. They don't share that position unless they're using Google or Apple maps, and to get that data even with a warrant, you need to know their Google/Apple ID. Which you don't have in a situation like this.
Bold of you to assume the vehicle in question was a state of the art car with this stuff coming as standard.
Not everyone is as rich as you.
There is nothing wrong with your answers. The problem is your asinine questions.
Setting the precedent that criminals just need to do dangerous shit to successfully evade all consequences will have far worse outcomes than anything that happened here.
Guess school children need to die over property then.
Stopping pursuit doesn't guarantee child safety. The criminals will continue to flee at high speed for some time, before ditching the car and running.
Now that they have successfully escaped, what stops them from doing it again? And again? And again? Endangering kids every single time.
And when they kill a kid this time, the police are nowhere near to capture the murderer. He can come back and do it again tomorrow.
Have you actually thought this through?
Police pursuing increases the amount of time at high speed and increases the chance of a crash and fatalities. That is why some jurisdictions don't pursue unless there is a direct threat of violence, like someone who just murdered someone.
Have you thought this through?
Yeah, very much. Have you?
If you have thought it out, you should be able to answer the other questions I asked above.
I'm waiting.
Holy shit.
Rule 2 reminder: If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
There are plenty enough examples of actual bad cops without having to resort to this bullshit.
Rule 2: If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
Banned. User seems to be gone anyway, but the reports keep coming in.