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Anti-trans organizations have said that their position against gender affirming care center on "protecting kids." Now, a Florida judge has allowed them to proceed with their next target: trans adults.


Several weeks ago, a federal judge in Florida halted a ban on gender-affirming care for transgender youth, declaring it likely unconstitutional. Yet, transgender adults were also heavily impacted by the law: 80% of gender-affirming care providers for trans adults in the state were forced to stop. Consequently, many found themselves forced to flee the state, temporarily or permanently, in order to access care. Those forced to stay clung to the hope that the provisions targeting them might also be overruled. However, those hopes suffered a setback when the 11th Circuit Court determined that discriminating against transgender individuals in healthcare would be allowed, at least in the short term. Relying on this verdict, the Florida Judge Monday declined to block the sections affecting trans adult care. Now, the precedent has been set for adult care bans, a stark contradiction to some anti-trans activists' assurances that their sole aim was to "protect children."

Earlier this year, Florida passed SB254. The bill did not only prohibit gender-affirming care for transgender youth, but also casted stringent requirements for care on trans adults. Specifically, the laws bars nurse practitioners from administering care and mandates that providers distribute inaccurate medical forms, laden with misleading narratives, suggesting treatments are experimental. This was a substantial change, as the vast amount of trans adult care is provided by nurse practitioners. A representative from a clinic in the state, SPEKTRUM Health, estimated that 80% of such care would be affected. Further, the new informed consent form dictates a pre-requisite of "social support" before a trans individual embarks on care, despite many trans adults losing social support from their families after they transition. Though the initial discussion centered on the effect of the bill on trans youth, trans adults across the state suddenly saw their prescriptions dropped by their providers as a result.


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[–] GreatGrapeApe@reddthat.com 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Fascism as an ideology arises as a response to socialism and positions itself in opposition to socialism. They are not at all the same.

The more apt critique is that aside from the GDR for its last few years almost no socialist society has had a good record regarding LGBT+ rights.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

no socialist society has had a good record regarding LGBT+ rights

Cuba does fidel-bat

[–] GreatGrapeApe@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Only as of very very very recently.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

this is not true. Cuba's been ahead of the US consistently. LGBT rights are not a finish line labelled 'gay marriage'; they decriminalized decades before the US.

and their recent reforms are constitutional, not protections subject to whims of courts or simple parliamentary majorities. Cuba didn't roll over one day in the 2010s and suddenly decide 'we're pro lgbt now', these efforts are built on decades of acceptance & reforms, that only recently became entrenched & certified to the highest legal standard.

[–] GreatGrapeApe@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cuba currently has the best records for LGBT rights but that has not always been true.

LGBT marriage was illegal until 2019 the constitutional changes made it legally possible. There was a civil union proposal from 2006? 2007? but that never got passed.

I have been active in LGBT rights since the 1990s. Trust me you aren't talking with someone who hasn't been paying attention or thinks it ends with marriage rights.

[–] somename@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Better than the direction of the United States lol

[–] GreatGrapeApe@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago

Oh without question better than the USA.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I mean no, they've had a better record than most western countries for most of their existence, gay marriage legalization is just less important than other rights. Especially in places where legally recognized families aren't as heavily emphasized legally or economically.

[–] GreatGrapeApe@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Remind me when did any western country get all homeless and/or malnourished lgbt people into better conditions? When did they have universal Healthcare for trans people that wasn't gatekeeped to hell and intentionally underfunded?

[–] GreatGrapeApe@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When did Cuba do any if this other than the trans medicine which as I recall was in the mid 1990s.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cuba being economically socialist has intersectional effects that massively benefit lgbt people in a way capitalism never can or will.

[–] GreatGrapeApe@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Cuba being authoritarian will mean people will necessarily be less free

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What do you mean by authoritarian in this context?

[–] GreatGrapeApe@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A government that cannot legally be opposed or advocated for the complete replacement of with a non-Marxist system.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (44 children)

So a good thing then? Why would you want capitalism to return?

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[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cuba is less authoritarian than most Western countries.

[–] GreatGrapeApe@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No it isn't. You do not have free speech to the same degree for example. You cannot attempt to run for office as a non-socialist. These are critical rights to look at when determining if a nation is authoritarian.

Cuba is one of if not the most authoritarian state in the Western hemisphere.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No it isn't

Yes it is

You do not have free speech to the same degree for example.

How are you quantifying that?

You cannot attempt to run for office as a non-socialist.

The fact that authoritarians can't run for office makes it less authoritarian, not more.

These are critical rights to look at when determining if a nation is authoritarian.

I disagree, I think the rights to food and shelter are far more critical.

Cuba is one of if not the most authoritarian state in the Western hemisphere.

hitler-detector

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[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

Except they have LIB

[–] utopologist@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Did any capitalist countries at the same time have meaningfully better stances on LGBT rights?

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

when i was looking for chronological comparisons the French apparently decriminalized sodomy in the Revolution, just like the Soviets, but didn't ever reinstate it lol. in fact the Code Napoleon as it was promulgated to other states also decriminalized sodomy in other parts of europe, notably italy, western germany, and bavaria. germany re-banned it when unified (prussians)

[–] GreatGrapeApe@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago

Sone have depending in the time period. At this point you have the most protections in Cuba but you lack enough other rights that it becomes a wash.