Anyone that learns what socialism really means and then thinks it is a bad thing must be selfish and self centered. There is no alternative, you either don’t get it or you believe society should continue to hold “certain people” down for the uplifting of “us”

[+] MxM111@kbin.social -27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

Socialism is based on public ownership of means of production. In order to shift to socialism in foreseeable future and in the past, it requires forceful removal of private property and converting it into public, since I can not imagine that all people would do this voluntarily (and they did not do that voluntarily historically). So, yes, you require forceful state, a dictatorship. Soviets openly called that “dictatorship of the working class” when they were nationalizing means of production. That included by the way farmers who used seasonally hired labour. They fought to destroy those farms and farmers were treated as enemy to socialism. Ukrainian Holodomor that killed millions of people is a good example of such fight.

So, before blank-calling other people self-centered and selfish, maybe you should learn a bit more about socialism and its history?

[–] mashbooq 3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Holodomor was a genocide perpetuated by fascists against the working class of an unfavored nationality to benefit the favored nationality. It's a great example of why you redfash aren't socialists.

[–] pontifex_goatia@poa.st 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They were Bolshevist, who were the first communists- fascism arose as a response to communism.

[–] mashbooq 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fascism arose as a response to anarchism, liberalism, pluralism, democracy, and socialism, as did the Bolshevik's red fascism

[–] pontifex_goatia@poa.st 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bolsheviks red fascism ?? I could easily just be ignorant on this matter- but that’s not what murdered tens of millions of my anscestors- Bolshevik communists led by Jews did.

International communism is the world status quo- I’ll take the side of its obvious enemies who created the most successful and homogenous society in the shortest time.