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Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday that a landmark deal allowing Ukraine to export grain safely through the Black Sea amid the war won’t be restored until the West meets Moscow’s demands on its own agricultural exports.

Ukraine and its Western allies have dismissed the Kremlin’s demands as a ploy to advance its own interests.

Still, Putin’s remarks dashed hopes that his talks with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan could revive an agreement seen as vital for global food supplies, especially in Africa, the Middle East and Asia.

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[–] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Depends, Russia has nukes. Russia has a shakey economy right now. Civil war or a breakup of Russian territory is possible if it gets bad enough, and then it would be hard to predict who comes out with what armament.

You need to help Russia get back on its feet as soon as possible, just like what happened with Japan and Germany after WWII.

If we cut Russia off from everything forever, then we're just gearing up for something worse, just like Germany after WWI.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We tried that, that's what got us here.

Maybe breaking it up is the best solution for everybody including russia?

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Eh, Russia really isn't that big population wise. People get a warped opinion because of its size. A huge proportion of their population is in the southwest of the country nearer to Europe. The more north and east you go the more of a barren wasteland it is. Ukraine has 44M people Russia has 143M.

Go look up like a population density map of Russia. It's pretty crazy how much of the country is extremely low population density and undeveloped artic tundra type environment. I really don't think it needs to be "broken up" considering over 2/3 of the country is basically unpopulated.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

That's why it needs to be broken up, the politics clearly don't work and it's not really fair for anyone.

Imagine the caucuses with their own state, and southeast Siberia also, you could have functional, dynamic countries that actually grow and aren't just targets of moscow propaganda and trade restrictions. They could export for currency to build their economies, instead of it all being channeled to the same few oligarchs.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

would be hard to predict who comes out with what armament.

I'm picturing a civil war with the democratic countries backing one side and authoritarians backing the other, like now in Ukraine.