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[–] Gelamzer@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

No arguments or facts just vibes based ranting. Also most 14 year olds in the West have the same view on Socialist countries as you

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Fair. Here r some arguments for you:

  • The Berlin Wall: Why wasn't I, as an East German permitted to go west if I wanted to? Why were families separated during the entire thing? Was it to keep the hopeless western Germans from emigrating to the East?
  • The Holodomor: Why did the Soviet Union commit genocide against its own citizens?
  • Freedom of speech: Why would the KGB be on my ass if I said anything against the State? Why wasn't the media critical of the government? Why was Chornobyl covered up?
  • Why did the USSR destabilize Afghanistan?: Wasn't this an act of imperialism? Or were they trying to liberate the poor wittle Afghani children by killing them using cruel weapons like butterfly mines? Did the USSR really need to go in there
  • Why do literally all Eastern European countries hate Soviet rule? Had they loved it, they surely would've kept the policies of the USSR, right? Or is the CIA involved here too?
  • North Korea: Let's not even talk about them.....
  • Why was state enforced atheism a thing in the USSR? I am an atheist. However, I still believe that everyone should have the right to have faith in whatever institutions that they seem fit. Is that dumb? Yes. Should the state get to decide what's dumb and not? No.
  • China: Why is the great firewall a thing? Why do they refuse to allow their citizens to connect to the wider world?

Now, someone here is most definitely going to come up with the "but the US did XYZ" argument. And I wouldn't disagree there. However, this isn't a competition of "who's the bigger asshole". Glorifying any states or institutions is plain dumb. As a socialist, I want to do good for the people of the world. I can't do good if I ignore the atrocities committed by the people "on my team".

[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are people a lot more capable of answering your questions here than me, but I want to link a few videos about the Democratic People's Republic of Korea:

My Brothers and Sisters in the North - A documentary about the lives of people in the DPRK done by a South Korean-German woman that gave up her South Korean citizenship to film it.

Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul - A interview with 2 North Koreans living in Seoul that aren't allowed to go back to the North, despite wanting to.

We Went to North Korea To Get A Haircut - A video from the channel Boy Boy demistifying some stuff by actually going to the DPRK.

COREIA DO NORTE: LUCAS RUBIO - This is a recent interview in a brazilian podcast with Lucas Rubio, a researcher about the DPRK where he talks about the country, ranging from the war to his personal experience visiting it. The whole episode is in portuguese but from the little bit that I tested, the automatic translation to english is decent enough, although it misses a few things and get some names wrong.

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