People in the west should stop this madness ...hek whom am I kidding ,they won't .
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If only the west would just let Russia take what it wants, there would be peace in our time.
Wait, you don't want Russia to just take what it wants?
Do you think we could avoid that if Russia just went home?
Yes... but that isn't going to happen. We live in reality.
So then you agree with my original statement, what are we even debating?
Nothing, since that was my first comment. I just like pointing out to people that Russia just up and leaving... isn't a thing. Probably the only thing that works now is negotiations.
Just giving them what they want isn't a thing either.
More whatabouts are not going to change what I said.
Thought-terminating cliche
Ok. I think there's a word for that... starts with n? ends with ions?
I'd like to negotiate the transfer of your home to me for free, or I start shooting.
The people of crimea and the donbas don't want to be ruled by Kiev. Why do you want to force an unwanted gov on them?
In that context, someone that says "shoot me, then" is a moron, whether the mugger is justified or not
yes , just like the US ...WTF bro ..like you westerners have kind of special virtue for overthrowing governments around the world.
"whatabout the US" is not an educated point, it's a deflection.
Lol ok, you can call it whatever makes you feel better.
"Why would Russia do this"
"Maybe because the US is doing this?"
"That's whataboutism!"
This is your logic on liberalism
and buddy who made the "west" the police of the world ? Did India , China , BRICS , Latam countries call you to defend Ukraine ?
Why would those countries need to call for anything, it's Ukraine that got invaded, not them.
because most don't live in the "west" and "west" is not the world ? Who gave you westerners the authority to call the shots for Ukraine ? Why do you have to meddle in everything ?
Ukraine did, you know, the country actually being attacked?
The Ukraine government handpicked and installed by coup by the US?
So you are OK with having another world war, this time with nuclear arsenals armed and ready to go?
Yes literally, that's all it would take.
A single shifted border, which you can in turn brag about since the Russkies wouldve taken more without a hard fight. What would you rather instead - keep fighting them indefinitely as more warheads roll out and the frontline barely moves? Keep giving stern warnings hinting at war? Get more NATO states involved?
Russia does not hold Kyiv. If a ceasefire is declared, they would hold the eastern territory they wanted all along, and the rest of Ukraine would be unobtainable anyway. You're scared of losing basically half an oblast which already costs millions of dollars and hundreds of deaths a year to hold onto, and has an active separatist movement which cannot and will not cooperate with the Ukrainian government. All Donbass will bring you is more violence and diplomatic headaches. Holding it at all costs will either bring nuclear war, world war, or at the very least worse separatism.
You insist on fighting until it's "yours" (your chosen team's in this sport) over the possibility of being spiritually "cucked" or something bc you made a minor compromise. Fuck that. That's the whole of human history in a nutshell, and you've just now started trying to cheat it using guided bombs and computers. You think you'll beat the turning of fate because the 21st century has to be "clean," which youve already made forfeit. You have no honor and none should be gifted to you. Go enlist so you have something in life to talk about.