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Yes, I would like one, uhhh, high speed rail network with a side of, uhhh, universal healthcare, hold the genocide and secret police, please.
What genocide?
Do you know the actual truth of the Holodomor or Xinjiang? Are you willing to know?
Comrades who are jumping straight to retorting are unwittingly making it seem like, "well yes, there was a genocide, but it was worth it." Please do not allow any gap in our response that allows this interpretation. There has never been a genocide committed by a socialist country and we should make it clear we will not cede that atrociously false accusation.
Your contention is that Stalin committed no genocide? What do you call it, sparkling ethnic cleansing?
It's crazy - we all actually tend to agree on most things. We all sort of agree that the US government has committed atrocities, that wealth redistribution is what we should be striving for, that billionaires suck, that universal healthcare is good, all that good shit.
But they are stuck on the idea that their favorite governments can do no wrong.
“I agree that the U.S. is evil and has been the objective bad guy in every war it’s ever been in (and the US has almost never not been at war) but I believe the U.S. wholeheartedly in matters of foreign policy”
Of course they can do wrong. We acknowledge legitimate criticisms, but we’re going to refute slander against socialist governments.
I trust international investigation and evidence uncovered by reputable journalists.
If a country refuses to allow international investigators to do their job, that is a significant red flag.
Are you talking about when the I.C.C. was sanctioned by the U.S. for investigation of Afghanistan war crimes?
If you compartmentalize counties in war to "good guys" and "bad guys", you're really going to claim that the US was the bad guy in WW2?
I apologize for the bad terminology, but I’ll stick with it to answer your question. Even in WW2, the Soviets were the “good guys” and the US only intervened when it was obvious the Soviets would win to stop a communist Europe.
Got it. In any war, communists are "good", everyone else is "meh" or "bad". It's real telling that you'll call the Soviets the "good guys" but not any other European nations.
If the U.S. really cared about stopping Nazis, shouldn’t they have joined the war back in 1939? You also can’t possibly defend the two nuclear bombs on Japan (who was already ready to surrender) was anything other than to intimidate the USSR.
You're jumping all over the place and it's funny. Let's go back to your earlier claim: "The US has been the bad guys in every war it's been in". Were the US the "bad guys" in WW2? Yes or no?
No, I was providing additional support to the claim that even in WW2, the US aren’t the good guys.
Yes, I would call the country responsible for the Nazis (the Nazis were inspired by the U.S. and actually thought it went too far with the one-drop rule) and the only country to use two nuclear bombs on civilians on a country that was already ready to surrender the bad guys.
Amazing. Let's try another. England in WW2: good guys or bad guys?
I’ll follow Comrade Mao’s advice and shut up instead of speaking nonsense as I haven’t done enough research on England’s role in WW2.
Towards whom? To their indian subjects? They were worse than the nazis. To the USSR after finally siding with them? To the USSR when they were planning to bomb Baku and send troops to Finland? To Czechslovakia when they sold them out to germany and poland? To the USSR when they deliberately stalled the creation of what would become the allies and instead helped Germany?
Yes
In general, communists are good and everyone else is meh or bad, not just war.
Not really; we have no problem with actual, reasonable, criticism of AES nations, we just have no time for "100 MILLION DEAD! AUTHORITARIANISM! GENOCIDE! REDFASCISM!" nonsense.