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[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (80 children)

I don't know what these things are. Are you suggesting that there's an exception for crimes committed against these people?

[–] cynetri@midwest.social 27 points 2 years ago (43 children)

Total exceptions? No. But many states still allow people to get reduced sentences via the gay panic defense for killing LGBTQ people. That, and some politicians are encouraging hate crimes against them with hateful rhetoric about them being "groomers" and whatnot.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (42 children)

But many states still allow people to get reduced sentences via the gay panic defense for killing LGBTQ people.

You say that like it's explicitly allowed by the state. It isn't. It's a legal defense lawyers use in court. Whether or not it's legitimate is determined by a jury.

[–] cynetri@midwest.social 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You say that like it's explicitly allowed by the state.

It is. Keeping it a valid legal defense is a policy choice. Some states banned it, they chose to. Other states have not, they decided not to. That's politics.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

But it's not a valid legal defense. You cannot ban a lawyer from putting it forward as a legal defense.

[–] cynetri@midwest.social 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Except you actually can, and many states have

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Show me, please

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

You literally can, just like any number of other valid bases for objections to arguments put forward. If the judge rules it to be such a defense, it would be struck from the record and the jury instructed to disregard it, and if the lawyer keeps on it, they would be held in contempt of court. Furthermore, if it is plainly a case of such a defense and the judge lets it fly, the prosecution can claim mistrial.

Perhaps there are other ways of banning it, but that is the obvious one in the American framework.

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