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Image uploads are now disabled on lemm.ee due to malicious users (lemm.ee)
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Sorry for the short post, I'm not able to make it nice with full context at the moment, but I want to quickly get this announcement out to prevent confusion:

Unfortunately, people are uploading child sexual abuse images on some instances (apparently as a form of attack against Lemmy). I am taking some steps to prevent such content from making it onto lemm.ee servers. As one preventative measure, I am disabling all image uploads on lemm.ee until further notice - this is to ensure that lemm.ee can not be used as gateway to spread CSAM into the network.

It will not possible to upload any new avatars or banners while this limit is in effect.

I'm really sorry for the disruption, it's a necessary trade-off for now until we figure out the way forward.

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[–] randint@lemm.ee 29 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's honestly sad that some well-intentioned laws can be used to attack online platforms.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, the nuclear option should be used here even if there wasn't legal liability because that shit just shouldn't be here.

[–] randint@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

that shit just shouldn't be here

Yes, I agree. Maybe my wording suggested otherwise. But my point was that it wouldn't be the uploader that's punished but the instance itself. That's kinda weird.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I kinda wonder though, how would go about making a law against cp but doesn't hurt small sites like lemm.ee?

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The issue is that you really can’t. The laws are written specifically to prevent plausible deniability. Because pedos would be able to go “lol a troll sent it to me” and create some doubt in a jury. Remember that (at least in America) the threshold for conviction is supposed to be “beyond a reasonable doubt.” So if laws were focused on intent, all the pedos would need to do is create reasonable doubt, by arguing that they never intended to view/own the CSAM.

This was particularly popular in the Napster/Limewire days, when trolls would upload CSAM under innocuous titles, so people looking for the newest episode of their favorite show would find CSAM instead. You could literally find CSAM titled things like “Friends S10E9” because trolls were going for the shock factor of an innocent person opening a video only for it to end up being hardcore CSAM. Lots of actual pedos tried using the “I downloaded it by accident” defense.

So instead, the laws are written to close that loophole. It doesn’t matter why you have the CSAM. All that matters is you have it. The feds/courts won’t give a fuck if it was due to you seeking it out or if it was due to a bad actor sending it to you.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

Fuck the legal part, I wouldn't want to stay on platform infested with cp. Thank you so much for all the awesome people combating this <3