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I agree that the system is absolute dogshit in NYC, but how do you go about fixing that? Xinjiang had the benefit of being brand new, so there were no existing travelers, and it’s not like you can just close down a station in NYC and say “Oopsie; get fucked everyone who used this line/station, come back in a few weeks/months”.
It’s a lose lose.
What? That's exactly what happens. Various stations in Washington DC have been closed, for 6+ months at a time, the past two years, for renovations. They made do with route workaround and shuttles in the meantime. Are you implying stations shouldn't update just because it might cause inconvenience? Safety trumps inconvenience.
Where did I say that we should update because of inconvenience???
I’m saying that millions of people every day rely on these stations to get to work, school, stores etc, and it is to far to walk or bike; and many of them cannot afford a cab or Uber, let alone own a car.
I’m saying that it feels impossible to close down a station without disenfranchising a quite massive amount of people with no other options.
Also where did I mention safety at all?
This isn’t an issue of convenience; it’s an issue of “life or death”, “Oops sorry! Can’t get to your job anymore because the nearest station is closed? Tough luck!”
Also imagine comparing DC to New York lmaoooo
Unless it’s due to the edit, their post mentions other options: the city provides shuttles or other transportation so you can get to the next station
True, but logistically how would that be viable? Buses would be highly impractical on the vast majority of road due to traffic, and the sheer amount of people that would require shuttles, and what “other transportation”? That’s all that’s there is. People can’t afford cabs, Ubers, or cars, and the distance is to great (or just straight dangerous) to walk or bike.
You can’t just reverse decades of car centric and awful infrastructure with an easy fix.
New York City already has a bus system. This isn’t asking them to invent something totally new.
Trust me. The city may as well not have a bus system. It exists in name only, and I would not trust it to get me anywhere.
The pictured station is Chambers St. The walk from the stop before it to the stop after is under a mile.
On a station level basis, even if you can't do servicing piecemeal (refurbish the northbound platform, then the southbound one), most subways have stops within "walk but somewhat inconvenient" distance-- 1km or less apart. You can often annoy out-of-towners by giving them an itinerary that results in them changing trains three times and spending 45 minutes to get between two stations within line of sight of each other.
But seriously, for people with extreme access needs, I wonder if putting a few of those "multi row golf cart" style mini electric vehicles looping around could provide stopgap service to the nearest operating station.
We already need some degree of spare capacity; how does the service survive in the event of an accident if there's no double-tracking?
Wait, I know this one. Toronto intended to retire an entire subway line in late 2023 (claiming it was already past the end-of-life for the equipment, and promising it would be replaced with new subways in 2030. They ended up shuttering it months earlier because of a derailment. (https://www.ttc.ca/about-the-ttc/projects-and-plans/Future-of-Line-3-Scarborough)