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What I eat is already dead. I've never decided to eat something in such a way that it contributed to the harm of any lifeform. So it's not a matter of intelligence, but if it was, it could be as intelligent as a snail and I still wouldn't eat it.
Us deciding to eat meat contributes directly to the harm of cows
Is "directly" the new "literally"? Because it literally contributes indirectly.
Us deciding to heat meat contributes directly to the ham of pigs
If all of those typos were a joke, I salite you
Unless it's already dead, at which point there is nothing to harm. Vegetarianism is a spectrum.
Have you ever heard of demand and supply? You are being willfully ignorant or playing dumb
It's not demand and supply if you don't "demand" the supply of anything. Sure, I buy meat, but it's not something I look forward to the existence of.
If someone strikes an animal while driving, or a natural disaster takes its life, and someone decides it might as well be eaten, is that supply and demand? If I stop over at someone's house, and they have hunted an animal they're about to eat, but I neither hunted the animal nor knew they would eat the animal for dinner that night as I visited, is that supply and demand, or did I just happen to be somewhere where someone else's guilt of having killed an animal is in my favor?
It's a spectrum, hence the link.
Thatβs a no on your link dawg. I like the magical land you live in tho, where meat just appears for you to consume
Meat doesn't magically appear. It comes from animals who have just died. But the deaths do not necessarily come via a single means, nor does the consumer necessarily have any bearing on the suffering of the animal or future animals.
I am surprised that anyone would mention "supply and demand" at all given Lemmy has a largely (including myself, just not from a Marxist viewpoint) anti-capitalist demographic, which would mean supply and demand shouldn't be seen as a necessary factor.
The purchase of an item is treated as the demand of an item. This is how an economy works. They donβt mean that youβre barging into places yelling about how you want meat. Your money flowing to them is enough to justify further slaughter to provide more meat.
Sometimes the supply exceeds the demand though. Suppose there are a thousand pieces of meat in a store. Only eight hundred are bought. The other two hundred isn't bought and spoils, yet with no bearing on the market. So then imagine someone standing in the store mulling this over, "I could buy the meat, as long as it's there, or I could refuse it, and it has died in vain, but also if I buy it, who is to say I have a bearing on its death or if the money goes to the industry, when the store already paid for it and might have backup uses for it?"
I don't think in black and white.
They always prepare more than the allotted amount based on demand to meet unanticipated fluctuations. Your spent dollars on meat per month are calculated into their spreadsheets. No amount of pretend justification liberates you from the consequences of your actions. If you did not buy meat, there would be (your consumption*1.25) less meat in the store on average. You are not buying overflow meat. They are producing your meat plus overflow.
Just for you.
You say that like the stores don't buy it all first.
You say that like the stores donβt buy that based on your meat-buying history.
Until any exchange can be made, who is to say, as far as they're concerned, I necessarily exist? As an individual, I'm an oddly specific expectation for them.
Thatβs completely untrue. At this point in your life you have an established set of purchasing locations and a purchase history. Youβre discussing disingenuously for either the sake of arguing or because you donβt understand how the world works, either of which suggest pursuing this further is a waste of time and energy.
That's not even the only point I made in this reply chain; only one of them has gotten addressed.
youβre contributing to demand if you buy meat
It depends on the circumstances of its origins, as I explained below.
"what if"
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What if what?
does the meat you buy come from a natural disaster
This also exists.
Like being in a small subculture is unheard of
Kinda describes Lemmy tbh
most people donβt eat roadkill
Keyword here is "most people".
if you buy meat it isnβt roadkill
Unless it became dead by being killed in the road.
what kind of grocery store sells that
Specialty stores. Not really "grocery stores" per se.
where does it say you can buy it
In the linked posts in the link.
stop treating edge cases like the majority
Where do I do that?
You could say that.
Sorry to inform you, but plants are lifeforms.
What's a plant going to object to if it's eaten? I doubt there are any as intelligent as a snail.
To be fair, cows don't object to it either.
So should I not eat plants either? What should I live off of, Lemmy crowd? Photosynthesis? Gravitosynthesis?
You can eat whatever you want.