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Americans are bombing the shit out of civilian infrastructure in Iran, based on not liking the actions of an unelected oppressive authoritarian regime. Americans and Israeli's at the moment are pretty much indiscriminate when it comes to who they're killing.
And online, you and many other American supporters whine saying "Not all of us are like that!". No one fucking cares that a minority of your country are sending thoughts and prayers, while your country is bombing civilians and openly, flagrantly, committing war crimes -- LAUGHING about committing those war crimes at your state of the union even. "haha, we destroyed Venezuela's fishing industry by illegally murdering a bunch of innocent fishermen! LOL!". Many of us care even less about how the people complicit in CARRYING OUT those war crimes are being treated by the US government.
"We went to Iran to kill civilians, and they're not feeding us well!". Boo fucking hoo.
And online, you and many other American supporters whine saying "Not all of us are like that!".
I am American, I am not an 'American Supporter'.
I agree the 'not all of us are like that' argument is bad.
Im fact I hate that the country is doing what it is doing and has been for so long. It sucks, its embarrassing.
What I am I really saying is that responsibility for the acts of violence, is often attributed to the 'wrong' people. And so I was seeking some clarification.
I would agree with a Dutchman or an Iranian saying 'America and all of its citizens are responsible for the violence, and it is bad'. I can accept this is a fairly true snd congruent statement.
I would not agree with an American saying that an unspecified group of people (individuals)onboard a ship are responsible for the violence whilst they share no responsibility in it, are morally superior and clean.
'CARRYING OUT' also would require some explaining.
If were to host Nuremberg 2.0 for America. 'CARRYING OUT' could mean lots of things.
The fact is that the causality of our acts of violence are distributed---and if we begin to assign levels of complictness to individuals and groups we ought to do so carefully. Voting, for example, is not the only way one can be complicit (or increase their complictness). Agency is a real factor.
Just as an aside, I read this essay from a Russian the other day, especially, "not all Russians are responsible but all are complicit"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/09/i-had-poked-the-bear-right-in-the-eye-my-fight-to-renounce-my-russian-citizenship
Ill give it a read.
I just think that (1) its mentally easy to quickly assign blame on others, (2) it is not necessarily accurate when one does not specify whom (which person(s) (3) or aligned with the current international legal standards for crimes or violations. It might be unreasonable to expect 'everyone' to hold the same values as high level policy makers, but it is a point to be made.
But the statement that all are complicit but not responsible is a modern accurate statement in my viewpoint.
All Americans that pay taxes are complicit. Unless they have made every reasonable attempt to leave the country. (Myself included).
There are varying levels of responsibility and accompanying guilt- but this is sort of a slippery slope to think like this but it is true.
An international trial would not convict all Americans of a crime and then sentence them. The trial would convict 'natural persons' whom made the decisions, and also 'natural persons' whom performed aggression such as a drone operator, possibly aviators, (but only true in Nuremberg to a limited extent ) but there are thousands aboard the ship whom are indeed complicit but
I would not sentence them to death, writ large, or else. At the most a fine or some injunctions regarding federal or military employment and or voting.
The wars in Sudan--- The war in Ukraine-- I feel bad for all of them, I know many Russians are forced to die at the hands of the state. To much lesser degree some Americans are forced to facilitate war thru less bold or violent mechanisms.
Undoubtedly the Iranians noninvolved are suffering orders of magnitude greater than the 'boys' ln ship. But comparing suffering is not helpful on the individual level. The system level, it is certainly.
Even though some I feel bad for may be responsible or complicit in the violence.
No man, your country voted for him and 30% didn't give enough of a shit to vote either way, that's complicity and frankly I don't think om going to be going out of my way to associate with them over this.
To the ineffective libs still in America, you wanna actually hurt Donald. Move to a dif country.