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Some helpful links:
- The Gender Dysphoria Bible // In depth explanation of the different types of gender dysphoria.
- Trans Voice Help // A community here on blahaj.zone for voice training.
- LGBTQ+ Healthcare Directory // A directory of LGBTQ+ accepting Healthcare providers.
- Trans Resistance Network // A US-based mutual aid organization to help trans people facing state violence and legal discrimination.
- TLDEF's Trans Health Project // Advice about insurance claims for gender affirming healthcare and procedures.
- TransLifeLine's ID change Library // A comprehensive guide to changing your name on any US legal document.
Support Hotlines:
- The Trevor Project // Web chat, phone call, and text message LGBTQ+ support hotline.
- TransLifeLine // A US/Canada LGBTQ+ phone support hotline service. The US line has Spanish support.
- LGBT Youthline.ca // A Canadian LGBT hotline support service with phone call and web chat support. (4pm - 9:30pm EST)
- 988lifeline // A US only Crisis hotline with phone call, text and web chat support. Dedicated staff for LGBTQIA+ youth 24/7 on phone service, 3pm to 2am EST for text and web chat.
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Don’t read too much into those percentages. IIRC app uses solely pitch to generate that ratio. It has no way of measuring how masculine or feminine your voice actually sounds.
Any woman could get 100% male just by talking deep while still sounding like a woman, and vice versa.
Pitch is one factor that humans use to assume gender, but it’s not the only one and most vocal coaches agree that it’s not even the most important one.
My speech therapist helps a lot of trans folks and she specifically recommends people don’t use the analysis feature of that app because it usually just discourages people.
Yeah, I'm using it as more of a pitch guide, I've got a guitar tuner so I could totally just use that, but I already had the app and it's convenient with graphs and such, so I'll use it.
I'd love to get a couple afternoons with a voice trainer, that would be FAR more effective than an app.
Heck, even a couple videos of trans women going over voice training exercises in a voice I feel I can emulate is better.
https://acousticgender.space/
That page will report your pitch and resonance. I used voice tools quite a bit before finding this. Granted, this is a bit more fiddly to use. I've not used it in a few years because the last time I did the server wouldn't return results, but yesterdays attempt was successful. I might start using it again since you reminded me. So, thanks for that!
I hope you come to find training enjoyable. Somehow voice is one of the more affirming things I've undertaken. The ability to slam your voice back and forth between masculine and feminine is kinda fun too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stJUuDqpO_Q
I'll need to check it out tomorrow!
I really want to enjoy it but you know how dysphoria is...
The only concern my partner has with me doing voice training is they thought it would permanently change my voice. They're going deaf and too high or too low of a pitch is harder for them to hear. I assured them that while some speech patterns will change, I can flip back and forth and probably would mostly use my femme voice when I feel uncomfortable or am around unknown people.
I know dysphoria, but not for voice. I didn't even realize voice training was a thing until after I started HRT. I'm really kind of embarrassed that I could've overlooked such an obvious thing for so many years. Rather than dysphoria I had something more like anxiety or terror with the realization that I hadn't considered such a monumental task. I had a deep hillbilly voice. How could that possibly ever change? However, once I started watching some videos and getting the basics it all started to click. I believe singing helps a lot too.
Women (well, feminine voices) tend to enunciate more clearly than men. Your partner may have an easier time deciphering your voice on that account. Showing them that video of AlsoAshley I posted earlier may also allay your partners fears.
I've told myself that I'd flip masculine if I ever felt uneasy around someone, but so far I've only kinda bent masculine. Granted, I'm reclusive so I don't interact with many others. People often change or at least bend their voice and accent to accommodate others, sometimes unknowingly. I've heard people come back from a week long trip in the southern US with a tinge of southern accent. In fact, I've read that vocal fry (from females, in some instances) is an attempt at emulating a deeper voice to fit in with the boys or gain respect.
It thinks my voice is pretty much 50:50, which is weird because listening back on my own voice I think I sound pretty femme. Is it accurate in your experience?
I've not had professional voice training or anyone else that I trust to evaluate my progress. I can only say that the content of its report seems to accurately reflect changes that I induce. The included examples also appear to reflect its accuracy. Granted, that's all still terribly subjective.
I used it as a sort of video game whereby I'd shoot for the "highest score" (pitch and resonance) just to explore that sensation.. not with the intention of using those parameters for casual speech. My thought was that if I pushed the pendulum past the point where I wanted it to be in practice then I would land in the correct parameters during casual use.
I (think I) found that pushing to maximum pitch and resonance teaches one to change their oral and laryngeal posture to more accurately perform feminine speech.. not just pitch and resonance, but also accent. That's where your 50:50 comes in. I believe 50:50 can easily be femme with the proper accent.
I think it also plumb wrecked my hillbilly accent.. and I'm fine with that.