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So, if you want change, there are two ways to go about it. You can either play along with the rules of the system and try to win control of it that way, or you can try to overthrow the system entirely.
But before you indicate your preference, let me first ask, though you need not answer: There are many people who say they'll be a part of the revolution that overthrows the system. But are you actually working on this, or are you just waiting for it to happen? Are you working with the next Vladimir Lenin or Sun Yat-Sen right now, or are you just fantasizing about it?
Everyone wants change. What are you doing to create the future you want?
If we can show people how, they will do it.
The people who screams revolution are the ones that need to show people how. The people who are trying to work within the system are the ones who don't know how to make a revolution work and have the common sense to realise they don't. It doesn't mean they won't join the revolution when someone who actually knows how starts one.
I agree but I also .. dont know how. It seems like in the US it has to take the form of some kind of more active reformation than we have managed to imagine. No insult intended to people who are doing things now. What we all do seems like telling critically ill people to eat more salad and then we sort of stop there. It seems to me that our current methods are not going to be enough to get to real change.
I have mostly given up hope on working within the dems, (and the repubs obviously arent worth talking about) We dont seem to have the time for that 2-3 steps forward 2-3 steps back sort of progress we get working within corrupt DNC machinations.
I dont exactly want to be a complainer who cant recommend a better solution, but I also am currently not interested in being a guerilla in the woods. We need to figure out something in between.
Electoralism at this point has proven ir wont prevent apocalyptically bad outcomes the majority of people want.
That when good-seeming representatives get elected even through all the ratfucking rigged systems, they either turn and pull off the mask and betray us all (fetterman, obama, etc) or just get kixked out and tge other guy appointed (gore being the biggest example).
So are you jacking yourself off to how everyone else is a pussy and youre just smart enough to admit it while the air turns more toxic and the ocean rises and tge sexret police close in, or are you breathing into a paper bag until you can white knuckle it into the revolution?
Go and start the revolution instead of jerking yourself to the knowledge that you know better than people who only works within the system because that's the only way they know how.
Why, for people like you? People whod snitch on me in a heartbeat, and arent worth it in any case?
Tell you what, if im still alive when its too late, and you realize it needed to happen, ill scold you for being anadventurist and tell you why its too late. Then ill watch you fight for me. Wont that be a fun reversal?
You've been explaining "why" such a revolution is important from the get-go. Now you're denying all those reasons for the sake of a petty jab.
You know full well why it's important. You're just angry at receiving a call to action, despite sitting around calling others to action.
Now look, do you want us to fix this mess or not? Because if you sincerely do, you should understand why in-fighting between those with a common cause isn't helpful. Tearing down people who are trying their best and asking for help, or who are celebrating small wins because that's the best they've got, serves no use to anyone. OP's absolutely right that we need suggestions to get the ball rolling. We're at a stage now where we're still organizing, which is hard when authoritarians have access to monitor practically everything in this country.
Think about it - we can't just make a webpage or online group for like-minded people to meet up at. We have to go out to meet people and talk face-to-face. That takes a lot of time. Our best shot at networking is at the protests (which plenty of people who've never been to one criticize as "useless.")
If there are reasonable ways to catalyze such a movement, we'd appreciate being made aware of them. Right now, online warriors seem to think that one person can become an instant hero, despite having zero logistics for how that's supposed to realistically happen. If you happen to have knowledge of such logistics, please share them. That way we can all move toward the future that we all want.
Im okay dying in a shitty apartment to a 2 am police raid.
Its true i have never been outside. Yes.
You need to actuwlly do things, rather than deciding on a fuhrer and asking himto get things done. Thats not helpful. Its more than unhelpful because that system is theirs. There epsteinists to kill, but theres also train tracks to lay and agriculture to fix etc. None of it means shit until all of its in motion.
Lol. You guys are hilarious. You won't do something as simple as voting against the Nazi candidate, but you expect other people to fight a revolution for you.
In what world do you think that people who fight a revolution (that you seemingly won't participate in) will give you a seat at the table to create the next government?
Id rather there not be a next government and im not sure how id feel about shaping one.
Go live in the sticks then and get off the internet. If all you're doing is complaining, then you're part of the problem and not part of the solution.
Theres still a government there.
Snitch? Wtf is this take
Libs snitch like crazy if they think someones too radical, even if theyre not doing anything illegal. Lost a few people to that.
No
Okay i guess they werent really my friends, i dont have those, i dont think thry liked me much, but i did like them.