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This one is an issue of class, not gender.
Not entirely? Like class is important but the fact is that women get punished more often for having their sex lives leaked than predatory men do.
You mean kim?
Mmm, there are still gender stratifications within class, as well as class stratifications within gender. The existence of the Epstein class is a class issue; the misogyny of that class is a gender issue; the structural prevention of women to enter that class is both a class issue and a gender issue. And I'm not even getting into race. Like, Oprah dropping nudes is going to be taken differently than Kendal Kardashian, but both are still billionaires, and both would face more blowback than Epstein's friends within the same eschelon of the owning class.
Yeah, agree. Im just talking about the issue as it applies to meme. There absolutely is room for both things
Ghislaine is sitting in prison, if a nice cushy prison.
Epstein didn’t kill himself.
Gender and class issues are intertwined.
Idk sort of agree, systemically.
If you are of high enough class, gender aint a problem.
Either way, its the class that I have a problem with regardless whether one gender or another.
I promise I wont discriminate here, believe me.
Gender is still a problem as you move up in class. A rich woman will have more protections than a poor woman, but not as much protection as a rich man.
Depends who’s richer
Take a wild fucking guess what gender the majority of the upper class is.
You can be pedantic all you want, but gender and class are not separate issues.
You’re not making an argument that I don’t understand or have an opposing view for.
Im saying its of secondary importance. And if you want an equal proportion of B$ out there, I still want them all at the bottom of the ocean.
This is the opposing view of mine. They're equal in importance because we can't have class solidarity without gender equality.
I’m not sure that’s really a foregone conclusion or what evidence you have to say we can’t all be against billionaires without having gender equality.
I am for gender equality, but it really isn’t required for class solidarity.
At least I understand why you are so tenaciously stuck to this perspective now. So please tell my why it is we need the gender issues to be solved simultaneously.
Maybe we can’t have gender equality until we solve the class one, that makes sense to me.. the ruling class are mainly responsible for sustaining the culture divide.
How do we even begin to work towards class solidarity if we’re to ignore the subjugation of women?
Asking me the question (and you’re repeating yourself at this point) isn’t helping me see how this is so. Im not saying you’re wrong, but the gender issue isn’t a barrier to the class issue.
Here is an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
If women in the lower classes are not seen as equals to their peers in the same class, how can we possibly believe that class solidarity is achievable? I'm sincerely asking you how you are able to envision any level of solidarity while simultaneously supporting women being treated as lesser than men.
I don't know how many different ways I can say that I am agreeing with you, fundamentally, that is something worth solving. You continue to frame it as if I'm against if I'm not fully agreeing that these things need to be of absolutely equal priority.
Again, you're not supporting your argument by asking me this. And I've already given an example. It can be done entirely without balancing all the other conflicting cultural humors, and has been in the past.
How will we achieve it? I don't suggest we start reinventing the wheel. Same ol' same ol'.
All of the other cultural stratification issues we deal with are extensibly maintained by the power that is held by the rulers. If we are going to talk about gender, then we should also talk about race, and also ableism, and political alignment and all the other juxtapositions of cultural conflict that make up the many-headed hydra of inequality.
You want the egalitarian life, and so do i. But I think you can't beat a hydra by cutting off one of it's heads. You cut out its heart and you burn it.
Okay Cesar Chavez
Just stopping by to drop off some ad hominem?
Probably referencing Chavez’ tendency to rape and sexually assault even his allies in the fight for class solidarity.
Yeah, maybe I misunderstood the reference. I guess there's a bit of a joke in there? It's not really where my thinking is at for the discussion, but probably there is another conversation the have there fo sure.
Ignoring gender inequality in favor of focusing on class solidarity even though their are inextricably tied. Chavez did it to the point of raping many women and girls.
Horrible.
Would it not be reasonable to think he ignored gender equality because of his values towards women?
But you're right, they are tied together, as are all the other cultural class divisions rooted back to the core issue of economic class. That is the problem to solve, not to the exclusion of others, but because the other problems also must be solved.
If you listen to the victims they say they didn't want to speak out and undermine the movement. So at the very least the victims were encouraged to ignore gender issues and soley focus on class issues. Something to consider. I could not care less what the pedophile valued.
I think there is something to be done about finding the means to screen out psychopaths from getting into positions of power. It's a whole other issue to tackle and exists regardless of most ideological positions.
I don't think you know what that word means
in adressing the implication it's appropriate.
Oh well as long as it's appropriate