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"Vice-president effectively tells Leo to stay in his lane after the pope criticized the White House over the Iran war"

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

When was the last excommunication? I think we're about due.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

In all seriousness, while I am confident that it wouldn't get to that level, if the Pope and Trump actually do get in a pissing match...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdict

In Catholic canon law, an interdict (/ˈɪntərdɪkt/) is an ecclesiastical censure, or ban that prohibits certain persons or groups from participating in particular rites, or that the rites and services of the church are prohibited in certain territories for a limited or extended time.

France

Pope Innocent III put the whole Kingdom of France under interdict on 13 January 1200 to force Philip II of France to take his wife Ingeborg of Denmark back. After a reconciliation ceremony, the interdict was lifted on 12 September 1200.

England

Pope Innocent III also placed the kingdom of England under an interdict for six years between March 1208 and July 1214, after King John refused to accept the pope's appointee Stephen Langton as Archbishop of Canterbury.[15]

Like, it isn't the Middle Ages any more, but the Pope could probably put a considerable amount of political pressure in if he really wanted to.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

current papacy is pretty nuch built around ignoring even the most obvious of schisms, see german catholic church openly allowing bishops to marry/be gay/woman.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That sounds like misinformation.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

whoops, it's "bless gay couples", let priests marry, allow female deacons.

i'm not up-to-date on that brand of superstition's lore terms so i don't really care how priests/deacons are all that different from bishops.

all 3 are things the catholic church used to kill a/o excommunicate for befode though

[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

In an ideal world the Pope would have as much influence as the leader of Hogwarts.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I guess...

But it wouldn't be as funny as excommunicating Vance. And then when he complained about it excomm-ing the President too.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

But it wouldn’t be as funny as excommunicating Vance.

Mmm...debatable. I would be laughing if Trump managed to get a national interdict from the first US-born pope.

thinks

It'd create a stupendous political shitstorm. Like, back when Catholic immigration to the US started to increase, there used to be a national frenzy from the (then-much-more-Protestant) American population worried that the Pope would control the government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism_in_the_United_States

Puck, 1894:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Udo_J.%2CKeppler_The_American_Pope_1894_Cornell_CUL_PJM_1118_01.jpg

Harper's Weekly, 1871:

https://thomasnast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/15TW-TheAmericanRiverGanges.jpg

I'd venture to say that starting a Protestant-Catholic split would be an extremely bad move in terms of the Republican Party's fortunes, given that it's presently the social conservative party.

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I could honestly see some bullshit happening like this, if either were to be excommunicated: trump starts his own "offshoot" of Catholicism where he's literally just God now, and all his MAGAts will switch to this new "religion" because Daddy trump said so.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

Worked for Henry VIII, but Henry wasn't going to be out of office in less than three years, either...