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I did the thing. I read the transcript (it's a video chat/debate). Most of the woke they talk about hating is the older stuff that is super cringe or feels racist, like "person of color" or micro aggressions. It does cover that the anti-woke crowd is mostly about being openly racist/sexist or getting to say slurs.
The answer here seems to be leaning towards yes. The creations of labels that the people you were labeling didn't even like led to backlash, see Latinx or BIPOC. Coming up with euphemisms to justify removing white people from conferences or panels because there weren't minorities, instead of focusing on the opinions and thoughts represented. The woke crowd created problems that pushed people away that may have mostly agreed with them.
Ultimately it seems like you're opinion of woke and the definition you give it depends on when you became politically conscious. If it was in the 90e and early 2000s, it's a more negative view of the progressive definition of woke. If it was during the Obama years, you think it's more of a maga creation as a way to be more openly racist.
I think it began to just mean being respectful of everyone, and aware of what's happening in the world--ie being awake. MAGA blew it up into some kind of militant identity
The LatinX stuff is almost entirely manufactured agitprop, just like the CRT shit. Actual Hispanic people do sometimes use a soft "eh" instead of of a hard "o" or "a" for disambiguation and the latinX thing was more an observation and academic discussion of this than any real attempt at prescriptive language. Literally the only people who pushed that narrative were the ones trying to weaponize it.
There's been an effort to downplay the attempts made after massive backlash, especially with Latinx. That doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Nah, I was there. I remember it. At best it was a broader conversation about whether language should be more inclusive, which conservatives took as a personal attack because they lack the ability to understand abstract concepts. And there may have been a handful of people who made a personal decision to adopt the term. There was never anyone scolding people for not saying LatinX.
I doubt anyone was ever shamed for not using Latinx, the problem there was more a mass amount of people that felt it was a way to erase their culture. It's a very wasp thing to create a term for a people and declare the most inclusive term without actually consulting anyone it addresses.
Is the “woke crowd” in the room with us right now or have a few convenient fringe cases been cherry-picked to fit the fascist propaganda narrative?
Those who used woke as a pejorative never did so in good faith, it has always been overt racism.
There were plenty that used woke as a non perjorative term.
Woke is now a made up term. It no longer has a clear definition. It no longer has a consistent meaning. It does not "depend on when you became politically conscious." it depends on if you understand and recognize yellow journalism as a thought terminating practice rather than an intelligent one.
There is no debate here. The entire conversation in the article is based on a false perspective of history as determined by the propaganda written about it rather than true events.
This article might as well be titled, "Did Jews leave us worse off?"
Because it's literally written from the same falsely framed perspective as that statement is, and you unfortunately carried it further.
Specifically, from your summary:
Is not a real thing that happened. This is history as perceived by its oppressors. You might as well be stating, "The Jews created problems that pushed people away that may have mostly agreed with them."
That problem Jews created? Existing. The problem "woke" created? Existing.
Same with "Illegal Immigrants." Same with "Trans" Same with every single marginalized group our current oligarchs can easily blame to shift the conversation away from them stealing your tax dollars through Reagonomics to start a international child sex trafficking network.
They're framing history as if the actions of these people and concepts are bad, despite the bad actions ONLY existing within the Propaganda they created.
Did trans people create bathroom problems that pushed people into passing bathroom laws and banning them? Or did they exist at a time there was a constant stream of propaganda saying they were?
Okay. Now ask yourself the same about "woke." Did they actually create problems? Or did their voices exist at a time when there was a constant stream of propaganda saying they were creating a problem?
That's why there's a negative shift in perspective between the 90's and 2000's. That's when Fox News and post 9-11 conservative propaganda started. There was no magical political awakening. It was when the fairness doctrine died and letting idiots on TV say the dumbest most un-American and unintelligent things imaginable became legal. Now to the point where propaganda is the primary perspective coming from nearly all our news channels, so we as a society can no longer easily determine what's real from what's a paid talking point.
So that's why Science is now questionable. Why our Education is now questionable. And the sustainability of our economy is now questionable.
Having intelligent discussions about all of those things was what "woke" started as. And our oligarchs hated that it always boiled down to them needing to pay more to improve them. So instead of paying for a country with better science, education, and a healthy economy, they paid to convince you all those things weren't needed, or were under attack by "woke" and that's why they were deteriorating.
So now we can't have a sincere discussion about politics without needing to first overcome the needlessly unintelligent shit people believe is real.
Like the concept that "woke" pushed anyone away instead of the manufactured propaganda around it that did. We're cooked if every political conversation needs to start with a discussion on whats real or paid propaganda, but here we are.
EDIT: Updated my opening statement to be more clear on my position and that there is indeed an actual real meaning to woke.
There is a lot of good stuff in your comment, but this opening is extremely problematic. Woke was created in the 1930s with a clear intended definition, which was re-codified in court by DeSantis’ own fascist lawyers.
“The belief there are systemic injustices in America, and the need to address them.”
That is it. Anyone who uses a completely different definition — especially as a pejorative — is simply a racist, bigoted nazi slur. It’s as simple as that.
100% agree with this statement. I do not agree with the current definition from DeSantis' fascist lawyers and failed to make that clear in my opening.
I SHOULD have described the word as follows instead:
That's much more clear for what I was going for, so apologies for the confusion!
Wut. You’re supposed to call each other slurs and insult the other’s mother. What is this, amateur hour??
There's literally a personal examples of "wokeness" pushing away the people that were intended to be helped on their discussion. If you want to pretend it's not a thing that happened or it's not a real movement then don't expect much change.
You know how MAGA keeps voting for a guy that can't keep his promises to help them? Almost like they keep making choices against their own best interests?
There's examples of what you're talking about everywhere, the difference is just in how exagerated it is in the media.
The personal examples you mentioned are all very likely propaganda created from basic human mistakes being exagerated into something extreme to be blamed on "wokeness." If you feel otherwise, link an article about it, and I'll point out how it's propaganda.
Otherwsie, should I believe all MAGA are gullible idiots that spent the last decade making up excuses for a conman pedophile to have the power to destroy their county for the profit of the Epstein class?
If you want to talk about "INSERT BLANK" pushing away people it intended to help, we should start with the biggest one right?
OR! We can understand that our own human flaws are being exagerated into weaponized propaganda.
Just because the people in MAGA were gullible enough to believe Trump wanted to help them, doesn't mean MAGA are gullible people. It means MAGA was designed for the gullible.
So just because "woke" policies have hurt some people in those groups, it doesn't mean all people in those groups are being hurt by "woke" policies. It just means these policies are for those "woke" groups.
You're falling for basic propaganda that blames human error on something it's not.
Doesn’t seem nearly as bad as OOP or others here in the comments are making it out to be.
It's really not. There's definitely blame to be assigned, but the woke crowd of the 2010s isn't solely responsible for Trump.
This is a silly criticism. "Latinx" and similar terms were used by some US kids of Latin-American descent and those people felt the "X"-ed words provided them better representation. Many native Spanish speakers didn't feel represented and objected to the terms being applied to them. So: there were two (maybe even more???) groups of people and they didn't agree on one label being applied to both of them.
It doesn't make sense to say that this is a problem with "woke" (wtf does that even mean) because the "non-woke" alternative is to use labels that people don't like... exactly the thing you're complaining woke did wrong. It's not a change making us worse off, it's just a failure to deliver total success. (Maybe it failed to deliver even partial success here? That's a conversation that might be worth having, but "worse off" seems like a straight hallucination.)
Now, if you want to say, "I have a big criticism of progressive movements: they do not succeed to the degree that they promise!" then sure. You should get in line behind literally every person who has ever considered themselves progressive, because all of them have also come up with this brilliant piece of insight and are eager to share it.
The problem with woke was that it tried to solve relatively minor issues with massive changes and shame anyone who disagreed. That unsurprisingly lead to backlash and alienation. Yes there's some racist dudes who just want to use the N-word without problems, but that's not enough to explain the cultural swing that happened.
Surely the problem with "woke" is that right-wing media grabbed it as a boogeyman and plastered it everywhere, right? I mean, what does it even mean to say "[woke] tried to solve ... issues". It's a word. It doesn't have any agency.
The only definition I've ever heard (because right-wingers don't attempt to define it) is "awareness of systemic discrimination (particularly by the USA towards black americans)". If a handful of people talking about how the USA has some bad history and what that means for the country today... The same people getting their feelings hurt over "woke" are just going to get them hurt over some other word that they make up. Like if nobody had ever heard of "woke" they'd be crying about "diversity" (oh wait they are) or "justice" or "peace" or literally anything because words don't have meaning to that crowd beyond something to get offended over.
I personally got told to the face that all men are predators so I just checked out of woke.
Kinda weird to take personal offence from one person as an excuse to not participate in making things better.
Like, if a conservative’s idea of a progressive came up to me and started saying I was a predator and demanding that white people be eradicated I’d just say they’re being fuckin’ weird and continue supporting progressive ideas. On the other hand, there are also the people who say “the left made me feel bad and I can’t take any criticism so I’m going to vote for Trump”.
Like, how thin does your skin have to be?
Well, you gotta pile that on top that I got falsely accused of rape and the pieces click a bit easier. But the predator thing was me firmly accepting that feminism has completely alienated me. The left and gender politics I personally dont really care much about but I do desire to leave the world a better place than how I found it.
Again, you were wronged by someone who even the vast majority of the left would be pissed at and so you don’t like “woke” now. Do you also hate democracy because the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is bad and has it in their name?
C’mon, dude. I’m sorry that happened to you but there’s zero logic in that stance.
This kind of behavior is both encouraged and downplayed. That’s exactly the problem and it has alienated lots of people.
Encouraged by who? I’m a straight white guy surrounded by plenty of woke people(dozens upon dozens) from all backgrounds and orientations, and even know a few who are pretty zealous who I’m not super close with because of that, and I’ve never seen behaviour like that except for one person who tried to weaponize it and who was called out by the community for it. I have never felt put down for being who I am, and in fact I am often surprised by how welcomed I am by all my friends, from regular gays to militant trans women and even an indigenous friend who leans a bit towards natural healing stuff(not my bag, but whatever).
Many of the people “alienated” by it have turned out to actually just be unwilling to ever make adjustments and who aren’t as good as they claim to be. A very famous example being Elon Musk, who claimed that “woke” is why he now supports one of the cruelest institutions around. I remember when I was that fork in the road and I realized that no one was actually against me, and even if they were it wouldn’t be an excuse to go against supporting “woke” stuff.
I’m not saying bad things didn’t happen to you, just that your narrow, anecdotal experience is not reflective of the vast majority of people.