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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world -2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You're an act utilitarian. Rule utilitarians disagree with you. Yours is not the only ethical system, and it's the height of hubris and arrogance to pretend that only your moral system is valid.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

What moral system throws millions of vulnerable people under the bus so you can brag about how tall your horse is?

[–] Jay101@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You should have talked about Morals when they fronted Biden who got not morals.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

We did, loudly. it didn't matter for shit.

[–] Kurroth@aussie.zone 1 points 9 hours ago

So why did you do it again?

[–] Jay101@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Clearly not enough

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

Try not to ask such loaded questions. You're better than that. I know you can do better.

Again, act utilitarianism vs rule utilitarianism. Rule utilitarianism is what our laws use. You're using act utilitarianism, which has a much poorer track record. A rule utilitarian would say, "we need a hard and fast rule that genocide is wrong. Anyone who supports genocide is a criminal that deserves zero support and respect. This rule creates the greatest good for the greatest number over time." An act utilitarian says, "this genocide may be OK, if it's the lesser evil. If I can convince myself it's on net positive, then it's the moral thing to do."

Our laws use rule utilitarianism. You're not allowed to argue in court that murdering a guy was a net positive to the world. We instead say, "banning all murders will result in the greatest good for the greatest number, so we'll outlaw all murders."

You can have two systems that each try to optimize for the greatest good to the greatest number. Rule utilitarians create bright rules that on net, over time, result in the greatest good for the greatest number and avoid the temptation to justify horrible acts by arguing for the greater good. Act utilitarians try to judge each act individually, ignoring a lot of the context and pretending that this act exists in complete isolation from all acts before and after.

Act utilitarianism is literally the moral philosophy of the Holocaust.

[–] Jay101@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

The apt poem for them

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Ours laws as written maybe, but certainly not in practice. How can you argue that the outcome of our laws show any adherence to rule utilitarianism?