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These are all things that people enjoy doing though, and there is a certain amount of glory in doing them.
Do you think your plumber or electrician would be willing to work for free?
Yes, of course. If you lived in a society where everyone contributed their labor freely in return for access to all of the fruits of the labour of others, wouldn't you be happy to work as a plumber or an electrician in that society? We work to pay our bills, but if we didn't have bills, if everyone was just provided for, by default, why would you need to be paid to work? Why wouldn't you want to give back to a system that gives so much benefits to you?
Some people have to dress up in a special suit and swim through raw sewage to repair a big pump - and they have to do it blindly because the sewage is opaque.
Some people have an even dirtier job: They have to clean off that guy's shitty suit before he can take it off. They might have to do it multiple times if he needs to come out to take another look at schematics.
They do it because it pays very well. It pays very well because nobody wants to do it.
I'd do it in a heartbeat if we got to live in the world I outlined above, and so would many others, because we all want to live in a society that has functioning waste treatment facilities, and someone has to do it.
Maybe many would, but also, many would not.
In a society in which everyone can choose whatever career they want, all for the same "pay"/outcome/whatever it's called in a moneyless society, I would bet that most people would choose not to do these things.
When the demand for such tasks outweighs the number of people who are both willing and skilled to do those jobs, what can be done to meet the demand?
Btw, I'm not asking rhetorically - I'm genuinely curious. If there isn't enough people to serve such an important job for society, what can be done?
Again, if something really needs to get done, like repairing necessary sewer systems, then it will get done, because it needs to. Do you really think that people who have the skills to repair the water treatment plant are going to just deal with sewage backing up into their home because they don't want to do the work?
For a more comprehensive analysis of the question, I'd direct your attention towards an anarchist FAQ. I'll quote a few choice sections below, but the link goes into great detail, comparing and contrasting multiple approaches to handling the problem.
In their own city's infrastructure? No, probably not. But that doesn't quite clear things up, so I'll throw out some numbers as an example:
Do an average of 50 cities have sewage backing up at any given time? How do you fill that gap?
Also, do you have an example of a society that functions like this today? Maybe I'm just stuck thinking inside a box because the society I'm most familiar with is not like that. If so, an example might be helpful.
[^1]: Obviously only a VERY small fraction of those 50 would be willing to travel to whatever town needs the repair, learn the schematics of their pump model, then swim through their excrement to blindly fix it. But probably easier to just focus on a simpler set of numbers.
I mean, sure, if you have 50 meals and need to feed 100 people, 50 people go hungry every day, right? That's just math. The best we can do in such a situation is choose a random 50 each day and ensure nobody goes two days in a row without eating. The thing is, though, a free society would respond to that mismatch because people wouldn't tolerate that situation for long if it can be remedied, right? So people would naturally work to expand the production of meals because everyone wants to eat.
Likewise, people would learn to fix the broken sewage systems. They'd do everything they can to remedy the situation. Workarounds, alternatives, upskilling, and so on.
The question of supply and demand is also covered in exhaustive detail in an anarchist FAQ
The Zapatistas in Mexico are probably the best example of an anarchist society functioning today. For a historical example, you could also read about Revolutionary Spain. There's a good section on an anarchist FAQ about it.
That's not what they asked.
These are people who have chosen a career in that industry, and spent years training to do so.
Why would someone choose that career path, over, say an artist or fitness coach? What would be their motivation?
I feel like I answered the question completely adequately, but I'd be happy to address your question too.
Why do you think people choose their careers under capitalism? Why would someone choose to be a teacher, a social worker, a mental health counselor, an academic researcher, a vet tech, a graphic designer, for example?
I'd say people choose those careers because they either have an interest/passion for a certain subject/discipline, because they care about improving their community, because they want to help others, or because they just felt like that would be an occupation that suits their abilities. Maybe they chose it because there is some prestige or respect from the peers associated with that occupation. Or, heck, maybe they just chose it because they thought it sounded interesting.
I don't see why any of that would change at all in an absence of the profit motive.
I chose mine because it pays well.
Also, do you live with your parents? Because these comments definitely have that vibe.
Good for you! I hope you have a comfortable life, you deserve it - so does everyone, regardless of their career or living situation. What do you do for work?
Remember, though, that your experience is not universal. I chose my career because I was interested and passionate about it. I have friends who feel like their careers just chose them, by pure happenstance. Everyone is different.
Thankfully not, I live in a lovely apartment with my extremely handsome husband, who is also anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist and based as fuck.
How about you? Do you live on some billionaire's sofa, or something? Just curious about why you're clutching your pearls so firmly about my principled anti-capitalist position. Zero judgment, btw, we are both working class, and I am a huge advocate for working class solidarity.
And this goober thinks people are willing to do it for the love of society.
Nah mate.
Because you're dealing with literal human faeces, that's why.
Okay? I'd rather do that than eat it from the rich. It's not like you can't wear protective equipment or anything. Heck, give me a set of coveralls and I would wade waist-deep in a septic tank on the daily in return for a society that has no homelessness, no famine, no medical debt, universal access to healthcare and education, to live in a world without pedophile billionaires and corporations constantly fucking us all over for a percentage and for their own sick pleasures. Do you really not see how that would be a better world?
Socialism > communism
I'm an anarchist! If you haven't heard much about anarchism before, you probably have some misconceptions about it, so I encourage you to watch the Q&Anarchy video series by Thought Slime or have a look through an Anarchist FAQ, because it's almost definitely nothing like what you think. I personally believe that it's the most coherent philosophy which adequately explains and addresses all of the problems which plague our society, and which holds the most promise for a path out of the inevitable cycle of the continuous rise and fall of fascism that capitalism makes inevitable.
I'll check it out.
Counter point: If there is no reason for some people who are capable of contributing to society to actually contribute, at least a good portion of those people will not, but they'll still take from the system.
The inequity is inherent. There needs to be SOME reward for effort aside from pure altruism.
Edit: the guy with the Patreon shit-talking capitalism is hilarious.
I'm not convinced
I appreciate that, thanks for hearing me out.
This is well known as the "free rider problem", and the extent to which it is a problem and how it can be addressed is widely discussed by anarchists. I'm sure everyone must be getting sick of me referencing it by now, but our old friend an anarchist FAQ addresses the issue in great detail, but I'll quote a few relevant paragraphs:
We still live in a capitalist society, despite how much we are trying to change that. People need to make money to pay bills under capitalism or else they'd starve, go homeless, etc. You can be an anti-capitalist and still make money. Having a Patreon is a lot more principled than taking sponsorships and ad deals, for example, because it is an entirely voluntary system.
It all sounds great, but the same people who end up rich would still seek power and control and ruin the system for others.
The entire purpose of the system is to make it impossible to become rich and to ensure no one has power over others. That is the literal foundation principle of anarchism, from the greek an-archos, meaning without rulers.
Again, I encourage you to watch the Q&Anarchy video series by Thought Slime or have a look through an Anarchist FAQ, these sources will address your concerns in a lot more detail than I will!
Even if you would be willing to do that, I doubt there would be enough to make a system like this work.
There's a reason plumbers are so well paid.
Well, you can believe whatever you want to believe, I'm not going to stop advocating for a better world just because you're a bit squeamish. Nobody is going to tolerate living in a society without functioning sewage systems, so the work would get done, either way, simply because it has to. I think you're just straight up self-evidently wrong.