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It's hilarious that my comment was removed for swearing, which isn't against the rules, but this post remains up, which blatantly breaks the very first rule: don't shame anyone for voting. This website is starting to look as incompetent as Reddit.
And compare the comments with the amount of up votes this post has.. Something's not quite right.. Seems like lemmy is vulnerable to psyops.
It's also mathematically ignorant. If Harris received every single third party vote excluding RFK Jr's, even if you include Libertarians who are more right-leaning, she still would've lost.
That is like saying that because nobody dies from measles, it is mathematically ignorant to support vaccines.
Yes, the Republicans haven't won an election because of third party voters since Nader handed the win to Bush in 2000. But that is because people have been smart enough since then to not throw their vote away. Burned by fire.
That is probably the stupidest argument I have heard this week. And I have heard a lot of stupid arguments.
Harris didn't dance naked through Washington wearing only a clown nose, but Harris still would've lost if she did that. By your argument, there is no reason for politicians not to dance naked through Washington wearing only a clown nose...
None of what you said makes any logical sense
They will blame third parties, meanwhile 6 million of THEM couldn't even be bothered to vote.
it's never their fault, all the way down
No fuck you, how would compromising and voting for the lesser harm have been worse than what we have now?
Because voting for the lesser harm has allowed both sides to become more harmful over time. Voting for one of the two major parties is voting for nothing to change. Once again, fuck you for saying it's my fault for voting third party. Stop blaming voters for the problems being caused by greedy people and capital interest.
Compromising and voting for the lesser harm is how we got here in the first place. This is the punishment we earned for sprinting right while saying vote for us or we let the monster eat you.
Flash back to 2020. How could voting for Biden be worse than letting Trump have a second term?
Trump's administration was in shambles by 2020. Everyone working for him fucking hated him. He wouldn't have done half the shit he managed in 2024-2026. He would have convinced his base to take the Trump Vaccine, and covid would have been less deadly. In 2024 we might have had a primary, instead of the democrats forcing a fuckin cop onto our ballots.
But hey, let's vote for Biden! We'll get some infrastructure funding, and... uh...
It doesn't matter who you voted for, neither group is putting the effort needed to protest and shut what the government is doing down. All parties are culpable to what is going on.
Im no different, I'm also guilty of this, but I recognize I need to do more and I'm trying.
Feeling righteous and indignant on the internet moves progress backwards and allows the bots to win.
Here’s the thing, in the reality that existed in November 2024, there were only 4 choices. 1) Vote for Trump, 2) vote for Harris, 3) vote 3rd party, or 4) don’t vote at all.
Simple math and logic dictate that at that point in time ANY ACTION other than voting for Harris was supporting Trump.
Argue all you want about the two party system being terrible, the distribution of Electoral College votes per capita over states being wrong, the impact of freezing the House seat numbers, or anything else related HAS NO IMPACT on the general election.
For the record, I hate all of the items I mentioned above, but NONE of that mattered come November.
Anyone disputing this is either a disinformation psyop/bot, a champion of a US downfall, or a complete moron.
And simple history would teach that this flawed math is the reason everyone was given only those choices. It's not rocket science. It's just paying attention.
I made the literal exact same argument in 2024! And then I grew up, and realized that the future exists. Harm reduction in the short term is not worth harm multiplication in the long term. The next republican will be worse than this one. We need to elect politicians who will reduce harm, not delay it.
Do better next time when choosing a candidate.
Anyone who thinks they can debate voters into voting for someone they don't like after saying all that is also a complete moron. I would never question your intelligence so I assume this is simply to feel better about the situation.
It's a democracy, until it isn't.
My point is that anyone who says they didn’t like Harris when she was literally the only viable choice come the general elections must therefore be totally fine with Trump, because that’s what the actual effect of their decision was.
All of this idealistic backwards reasoning they are using to somehow absolve themselves from having fucking Trump as the president is just foolishness.
Or maybe people who didn't like Harris knew that her winning wouldn't be a win at all. What would she have accomplished? If you think she would have prevented the next republican from being even worse than Trump '24, then I have a bridge to sell you
Well she clearly wasn't a viable choice, was she?
Yes, the majority are fine with Trump burning things down over the current two party choice. That's what democracy has informed is the case. It's so idealistic reasoning to think it would have happened any other way.
It's all of your USAmericans fault. At least the people voting this party are trying to change the status quo.
Or may be the democratic leadership was totally fine knowing well and good that Harris or Biden has good chance of losing and they still fronted her. All of this money motivated selfishness of Democratic establishment just piles on top of having Trumps president. They should have fronted AoC or Bernie very early on.
Tbf, Harris and Walz came out swinging. In the beginning they were calling JD Vance weird, but then Biden's staff took over and wanted a more conciliatory tone.
Logically, it must then follow that ANY ACTION other than voting for Trump was supporting Harris.
Did I also vote Marianne Williamson, Cenk Uygur, and Cornell West by voting for Jill Stein? Or just Trump and Harris? I'm trying to figure out the limits to this new infinite-voting glitch we discovered together.
Yes, from the perspective of those who saw Harris as the worst outcome (cue clip of the "apparently I'm an idiot" lady).
For the others, not really no. Sure a coin flip could technically land on the edge, but in real-world conditions it's even less likely to be called that way.
don't expect them to accept logic.
Oh I dont lol
No because 1) he won so any votes not going directly to him didn’t matter in the end, and 2) Republicans tend to fall in line and vote R no matter what versus idealistic leftists and accelerationists who won’t vote for anyone unless they 100% align with their views, and interesting that the hard line for them is Gaza, not any of the other catastrophic outcomes from the Trump presidency. Almost like these were disingenuous arguments to begin with.
Next time push for a better candidate with some morals instead of a sad compromise that lacks any moral integrity like Harris or Biden. I think, people like you are a giant problem who are very flexible with their moral systems as long as it doesn't directly hurt you. Reminds me of the poem:
People like you don't care until they come for you. May be speak up when they front people like immoral Biden or Harris.
you're dense as a rock.
sometimes speaking up and voting thirdparty and not voting the small evil IS the moral choice, sure.
however, in the reality of " a fixed amount of people will vote republican no matter what, and a variable amount will vote dems if they feel like it " you have to allow yourself to go against the most moral choice and opt for the 2nd most moral.
If both candidates support getting rid of Gaza, but one of them also wants to nuke half the planet, the choice is obvious no?
Not to mention compounding factors like... if you actually want change for the better you vote for the thing with the highest likelihood of winning. the thing that changes things to your side.
Maybe the missing votes and the 3rd party wouldn't have been enough, maybe. But if all those missing votes showed up and the US still ended up ruled by the current clown, maybe the discussion would have just been "wow MAGAOTTS fucking suck" instead of all the useless finger pointing and infighting.
But go ahead, tell me how flexible morals are shady, compared to the rigid and tunneled "this thing is bad and i will die on my little bump" rigid morality that is oh so common with the MAGAOTTS mentioned earlier.
Good on you for breaking this down to a fifth grader level. Problem is most people here don't seem to have that level of comprehension.
You're an act utilitarian. Rule utilitarians disagree with you. Yours is not the only ethical system, and it's the height of hubris and arrogance to pretend that only your moral system is valid.
What moral system throws millions of vulnerable people under the bus so you can brag about how tall your horse is?
You should have talked about Morals when they fronted Biden who got not morals.
We did, loudly. it didn't matter for shit.
So why did you do it again?
Clearly not enough
Try not to ask such loaded questions. You're better than that. I know you can do better.
Again, act utilitarianism vs rule utilitarianism. Rule utilitarianism is what our laws use. You're using act utilitarianism, which has a much poorer track record. A rule utilitarian would say, "we need a hard and fast rule that genocide is wrong. Anyone who supports genocide is a criminal that deserves zero support and respect. This rule creates the greatest good for the greatest number over time." An act utilitarian says, "this genocide may be OK, if it's the lesser evil. If I can convince myself it's on net positive, then it's the moral thing to do."
Our laws use rule utilitarianism. You're not allowed to argue in court that murdering a guy was a net positive to the world. We instead say, "banning all murders will result in the greatest good for the greatest number, so we'll outlaw all murders."
You can have two systems that each try to optimize for the greatest good to the greatest number. Rule utilitarians create bright rules that on net, over time, result in the greatest good for the greatest number and avoid the temptation to justify horrible acts by arguing for the greater good. Act utilitarians try to judge each act individually, ignoring a lot of the context and pretending that this act exists in complete isolation from all acts before and after.
Act utilitarianism is literally the moral philosophy of the Holocaust.
The apt poem for them
Ours laws as written maybe, but certainly not in practice. How can you argue that the outcome of our laws show any adherence to rule utilitarianism?
First past the post creating a two party system is a result of math. You might as well complain about Pi would be easier to remember if Pi=3.0 . Math doesn't care about your feelings.
The US electoral system is not a universal constant. It is not pi or the speed of light. It is a system by which rich people maintain control over a declining imperial power, based on a document written by slave owners 250 years ago as part of a tax dodging scheme.
but but but Russia!!! China!!!
thats a good point. pi being 3.14159 is bullshit and I've had enough of it.