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Memes of Production

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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

"output as much value" value according to what? To who? To you? Well I don't listen to music or look at paintings so anybody calling themselves an "artist" isn't outputting my definition of value so they should be worse off.

Do you see how quickly that line of thinking can be thrown off? Why can't we just give people food, water, and shelter? We're more than capable.

[–] skeptomatic@lemmy.ca -2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

​Nah. It's not thrown off at all. Measure of output is, measure of output. Output of "what", relies on consensus of necessity or interest from the population for what the goal is.
And this will always be the case.
One interest, is food production. If one person busts their ass and sows more seed or harvests more crops than another, they are outputting more. It's simple
And this would be true for any other system whether it be a system of necessity or recreation or art, as long as it's in the consensus of being a goal to achieve.
There is no world where everyone gets EXACTLY the same benefits, that's just an ideological extreme. It goes against natural law. It de-incentivizes any extra effort or discovery.
Plus, it's just fucking boring.
Drawing down disparity is the actual goal. Sure CEOs should not make [insert your multiple here] more money/credit/possibility than the worker.
People round here seem to immediately dismiss the CEO. But the (some) CEO may actually have worked harder, been blessed with more intelligence and organizational skills, and contributed more to, say, maximizing food production so that ALL can be fed more for even less effort.
That should be rewarded in society.
Just not to the ridiculously disproportionate extent it is now.

[–] KAtieTot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

When there is no profit incentive an individuals output simply doesn't matter.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

"Measure of output is measure of output" You know i think you might be onto something with that.

Anyway, food production, what if there was enough people working as farmers that everyone only took four hours to plant the necessary seeds? And if you still needed some kind of individual reward, if you bust your ass and get it done faster you got to go home sooner.

It's funny you call this "simple" when it's only simple to you. No imagination, no big dreams, no thinking outside the box. Still stuck in the confines of the current system.