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[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wouldn't inflation be a good immediate signal on which systems of production need to be fixed first? E.g. housing prices spike = need more housing

Also, if someone earns 1000 and you earn 500 before an UBI of 500, they earn 2x as much as you before and 1.5x after.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago

We have way more than enough housing. The problem is they're wildly unaffordable or hoarded by people buying vacation homes or investment properties. Some are also from inheritance that they just refuse to get rid of cause they'd lose money or some nonsense.

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Maybe but we already know we need more housing, no need to spend a bunch of money to find that out, especially if that money can be spent on actually building housing. There are plenty of other stats and signals we can use to determine what to produce which don't require bringing inflation into the mix that can cut into peoples savings.

Also, if someone earns 1000 and you earn 500 before an UBI of 500, they earn 2x as much as you before and 1.5x after.

Yes but your ability to outbid that other person stays the same. In a market system your access to limited goods and services is determined by your ability to outbid others to gain those goods and services.

Take housing for example, say I can spend $500 on housing for a shitty apartment and another person can spend $1,000 on housing for a good apartment, and there's another unhoused person who can't afford any housing.

Now give each of these people $500, like you said the relative gap has shrinked but the place in the hierarchy stays the same. The person with the good apartment will bid up prices to keep me from moving into their unit, and I'd be forced to bid up for my unit to make sure the unhoused person doesn't get it. The distribution of housing would stay the same, assuming no new housing gets built, and all the money just goes to the landlord.

[–] Jaycifer@piefed.social 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Why are you assuming an extra shitty apartment that cost $500 wouldn’t be built, now that the unhoused person has some money to pay with?

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Because some money doesn't mean it's enough to profit off of building that shitty apartment. If UBI is implemented and the economy inflates then the price of building a shitty apartment will go up, and if that price goes up past the point where it's profitable to charge $500 a month for it then it either won't get built or they will increase the rent, probably to the new $1,000 market rate.

You can do social housing and remove the profit incentive, but it's hard for the state to build housing when all of its money is going to UBI.

[–] Jaycifer@piefed.social 1 points 8 hours ago

That’s the same flawed argument often used to shoot down minimum wage increases. Income increases to the poorest people historically does not lead to unsustainable inflation.