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[–] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (15 children)

You sorta have to win the war to declare independence.

Change the question to: “would you die for Taiwanese independence?” And watch the numbers drop.

[–] diablexical@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (12 children)

You sorta have to win the war to declare independence.

So mainland China is not independent then?

[–] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (11 children)

They have the mainland and everyone recognizes them as China.

Sounds independent to me. Forget your pedantic nonsense.

[–] randint@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@diablexical@lemm.ee was not actually claiming that China is not independent. They are trying prove that Taiwan is independent through reductio ad absurdium. Basically, they try to derive something absurd (in this case China not being independent) from your claims.

[–] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Thus “pedantic nonsense”

You can’t prove independence through logical contradiction. It’s a state of foreign recognition. China clearly won the war enough to be recognized. Taiwan did not.

Independence isn’t a vibe.

[–] randint@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reductio ad absurdium is not "pedantic nonsense."

[–] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

When misapplied that badly, it really is.

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