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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 48 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Time to post this again.

Bayard Rustin was a gay Black man who was instrumental in making the March on Washington happen. Even though he was a close ally of MLK, he never pushed King to speak on gay rights, because he knew it wasn't something america could handle in 1965.

Frederick Douglas supported Abe Lincoln in 1860, even though Lincoln has said that abolition wasn't as important as keeping the Union together. There was an abolition candidate, but Douglas didn't think he could win, so Douglas decided to back the person with the best chance in hope of having a seat at the table later.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

But Harris actually had a lower chance of winning than a hypothetical Harris-without-genocide candidate.

"Stop supporting Israel's genocide" is something America could handle in 2024.

[–] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 47 points 1 day ago (30 children)

now, instead of a gaza genocide problem, we have a gaza genocide and iran genocide problem. that's of course ignoring the america genocide, the climate apocalypse, and the healthcare and economy crises, which were bad before, but now....

not that 3rd party/ abstainers are responsible for all this, but i really want to understand what they thought they would accomplish by yelling and shouting about the 100% guaranteed fail route of sitting out or voting for jill fucking stein

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (46 children)

i really want to understand what they thought they would accomplish

I’ve been asking for almost two years and no one will say. I get a lot of “screw you, fascist!” And “Oh, so everyone has to have a plan now?!?” amongst other head-scratching non-answers.

The most important thing appears to be to not be involved in any decisions, movements, or other political realities that might conceivably ever have a chance at existing in our lifetimes. I guess.

Honestly at this point most are indistinguishable from straight up FSB bots. Divide the left, no other goals.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

you get to choose one and only one:

either the group that would not vote for harris is small enough that they don’t deserve representation, in which case the democrat establishment is to blame.

or the group that would not vote for harris is large enough to have impacted the election and deserved representation, in which case the democrat establishment is to blame.

you can’t have both

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[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think these are the people who choose "Do nothing" on the 5-v-1 trolley problem. i.e.: they would rather let 5 people die than take an active role in killing one. I can understand the moral argument, but it really does make for objectively poor outcomes.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

The Trolley Problem isn't a correct Games Theory representation of this situation, not even close:

  • For starters, those doing the chosing don't know for sure what's down each track (we do know now, with hindsight and only for the chosen branch, but that's long after making the choice and you still don't know what would be down the other track)
  • Second, it's not an individual choice, it's a mathematical calculation (not even an average) of multiple choices which were not coordinated (i.e. each individual does not know enough at the time of their own choice to predict the final result), so unlike in the Trolley Problem, there is no individual responsibility.
  • Last but not least, this is a cyclical choice were how many victims are on the tracks for the next choice is influenced by what was chosrn in an earlier cycel and even how many people made that choice - sending the tram down a line with more victims now might actually mean fewer victims on the line of one or even both branches for the next choice, or the opposite (clearly past choices created this situation were both candidates were Genocide supporters hence there we're far more victims on both tracks)

You have either been deceived by this propagandistic misuse of Games Theory and are now parroting it without fully understanding it or you are knowingly being deceitful for the purpose of supporting the leaders of your party.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 11 points 1 day ago

Apathy is also participation.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 11 points 1 day ago (10 children)

They will tell you that AOC, Omar, and Mamdani aren't really 'Left' because they sided with the Dems.

Purity first last and always!

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (8 children)

You know, I can quote a whole bunch of civil rights icons' opinions about moderation and compromise, but that'd just be us arguing over who has the best black friends.

So I'll just point out that despite all the wise compromise and statesman concessions to white supremacy, it remains a problem somehow.

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