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I joined because federation keeps it from being corpo controlled. Also a little bit is a lot in a lot of things nowadays. Part of it I think is its still a general place. Like when I went on reddit it was where the mmo communities I was playing hung out. I only came for that. So yeah people were great. Go to general communities though and it got way worse.
No it doesn't? It makes it mildly difficult by making sure any corpo, if it cared to, would need to control a significant-ish amount of the instances. There's no clear reason to do that, which is nice, because it would be pretty hard to defend against.
"Federation" is used on here as a magical buzzword that fixes shit, it doesn't do that. It's an implementation detail that's meant to make certain things better but mostly only makes them more complicated. It just means that you have a bunch of minireddits that vaguely and inconsistently interact with each other and have a lot of overlapping stuff, communities and such.
How do you propose they could do that? Genuinely curious.
A corpo-instance would be defederated by everyone else.
On one hand I'm not sure elaborating would be a good idea, on the other the broad strokes are "spin up a few instances and be a dick in various ways". People are already blatantly doing that anyway, so it's not really a secret. Federation is limited - who even federates, who defederates, any other limitations, community rules and whatever else, a bunch of stuff influences the actual content you see. Random fediverse happenings (good reasons, bad reasons, outright technical failure) have already caused a bit of headache on their own, let alone what a motivated malicious actor could do.
Most overtly deliberately inflammatory instances get federated.
Well, yes. I'm not sure what your point is here. I'm focusing on your claim that someone malicious (a corpo) could somehow subvert the Threadiverse.
I don't see what a malicious actor could do just by spinning up an instance.
it does because you can go to what you want and they can defederate from what they want. blue sky is defederated quite commonly and has made no inroads at all.
In theory. In practice I don't think it works at all. Discoverability on this thing is pretty awful (bluesky has that issue too) and you would need that to be better and the actual experience of "moving around" to suck a lot less, for that to actually work.
moving around is easy. I have done it twice. started on kbin, then an mbin instance, and now piefed. discourberability has been fine for me but right now it lacks the niche communities. Its enough to create them but to have folks actually going to them. I kinda get annoyed people make communities in the hopes of it becoming something. Most communities should not be created until several people start chatting with each other and plan out making one so it should have several mods to start and members who start populating wikis and the sidebar and such. minimum of 3 but half dozen would be better.
I argue that many communities fail because most community owners don't know about federation (using tools like lemmy-federate) and don't advertise it, and don't maintain it.
all the same I think if someone cannot find a few like minded people to start a community they should not. Its like making a club alone that meets at the library. Might work and might not but if you have two friends who want to hang out and do the thing anyway then who cares because you will be there anyway.
Moving around is not easy if you want to actually preserve any of your preferences. The blocklist alone tends to add up really quick. But I agree mostly on the communities: pure "if you build it, they will come" thinking, while it doesn't really work that way.
the upload/download seems to work from my experience. not so much at the start but its come a long way. piefed/lemmy seem plenty compatible but im not sure about mbin.