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They've always been reasonable. And they've always been the victims in modern history.
The Iranian government killed 7,000 protesters. I think the Iranian people are by and large good people, but neither of our governments are any good. Iran's government just looks less crazy than the US government right now.
Iran's government is objectively less crazy than the US government. In perfect game theory style, Iran had set up the Hormuz threat as MAD (mutually assured destruction), with a completely rational and realistic threat. To deter the US from attacking.
The crazy government here is the US administration, who seemingly was too stupid to understand the extremely simple game theory behind MAD. Trump is not a "rational actor" in the game theory sense.
Which changes them from being the victim in this war how? Or during the war last year? Or the protesters who got driven to the streets after the explicit and intentional work of Scott Bessent? Or the tens/hundreds of thosands who've died due to lack of medicine created by US decades-long sanctions? Do you not see that the Iranian gov't atrocities do not make them and Iranian people any less of a victim of US violence of different kinds?
3k, let's not use CIA produced numbers. We should be better than that as a species.
Also given it was proven it was a Mossad generated 'protest' meant to inspire a colour revolution.... maybe don't blame Iran for defending their sovereignty against a foreign attack.
You people didn't like it when Russia did the same thing in Ukraine resulting in Ukraine killing hundreds of protestors.
For sure. Women and LGBTQ people in particular find the morality police to be very reasonable when they're being beaten in the streets and arrested.
are we talking about the US or Iran now?
Iran has greater protections for trans women than the US or UK btw.
.... because they've forced their gay men to get trans surgery under threat of a death sentence
Iran Lures Transgender Foreigners for Surgery but Forces Operations on Locals - The New York Times https://share.google/EthlZRgk3jyX2OH6V
It is amazing how you people fall for NED propaganda every. single. time.
Iranhr.net, the only claim for the death penalty being applied to LGBTQ people in Iran (which is weird since all of Iran's laws are online, if it were real, you'd think they'd just link the official government site) is an Organization founded, funded, and operated by the National Endowment for Democracy; an organization founded by active CIA members, only hires CIA members and 'candidates,' and funds such nonsense reporting as 'The Uyghur genocide that no uyghur has ever reported experiencing,' and 'Why every democracy that doesn't support the united states is actually a fake democracy hiding a dictatorship.'
On top of this they are the ONLY source used by the UNHRC's report linked in the article. Yes I actually clicked through and read the sources.
So is it more likely that a culture with a history of gay and trans acceptance older than the concept of white skin did a 180 in the last 60 years, especially given Shia Islam is NOT a sect that punishes LGBTQ people.... or did the CIA-Backed NGO make shit up to make you hate a country in order to justify war, sanctions, and continual destruction of civilian life at the behest of its corporate and ideologically opposed owners?
Which is honestly the simpler more likely answer? The most evil empire on Earth that has a 240 year history of lying to its populace to do unpopular things in pursuit of profit doing just that.... or a country more progressive (in this specific regard) than the US was until 2015 doing a 180?
What do you mean by older than the concept of white skin?
Light skin has been around for somewhere between 22-28k years. The concept of “whiteness” is a lot younger, but it’s also younger than plenty of countries (including the US), so that’s not saying too much.
I’m not trying to be combative, I just figured I’d mention the two interpretations that occurred to me first.
Yeah, Iran is a trans paradise.
Yeah, about that...
What's race have to do with anything? It's a theocracy with morality police and you're defending it like it's some bastion of freedom and liberty.
It's not a bastion of freedom, but it is better than the US and UK and especially Israel at this one category that you incorrectly said it wasn't.
That was called a correction.
As far as race, you people don't tend to know anything about Iran but you lump it in with Arab and Muslim culture and assume all things true in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Dearborn Michigan must be in common with Iran because they're all the same right?
Nothing in islam is anti-lgbtq. Nothing in Arab or Persian culture is anti-lgbtq. There are some states that have rules banning it, Iran isn't one of them.
Hell the 'morality police' that you israelis call it don't even exist across the country. Each region has its own rules and the rules aren't universal, much less universally enforced. Women aren't forced to cover in general, but muslim women don't have to cover in Tehran whereas Umira they do. And that's awful that region is like that, but pretending it's the whole country because you're too lazy, too stupid, too racist, or all of the above to even try to understand a country you're bombing is ridiculous.
Well, since you want to get into regional differences, that very much depends on which US state you live in. Many absolutely allow one to change their gender - even to an 'X' for non-binary. There are even anti-discrimination laws in place as well.
Did you just... "You people" me? You don't even know what "people" I am. You're fighting a straw-man now and trying to make it against "me" rather than the topic. I get it.
Neat. It doesn't matter. In Iran Islam says what a very select group of people say it says. Like in the Catholic church - the Bible doesn't matter, it says whatever the Pope says it says. It's like that in all religions and there is enough variance in all religions that anybody can say "X isn't against that" and also "X is for that" at the same time.
.. I'm sorry, what? Who's the racist now?
So just like you're doing with the US?
It may not be universal - but the bar is so much lower. In the US (even the worst parts of it) no woman is called "brave" for showing her face in public or on a YouTube video.
So again with your ignorance; no woman is called brave for showing her face in public in Iran. You're thinking of the Burka, which IS NOT A PART OF MUSLIM OR IRANIAN CULTURE AND ISN'T IN IRAN.
This is why I used the term 'you people.' It doesn't matter what colour you are. You fell for israeli propaganda and culture war nonsense. As you people always seem to do.
Ah - you are right - I do confuse the hijab and the burka sometimes. It's hard to keep track of how the different middle eastern nations subjugate women.
whine whine brown people are animals and we should teach them to respect women
In another time you would have lynched quite a few black men
No part of the commandment to dress modestly targets just women, and many have lower SA rates than Detroit.
So you just keep swinging and missing with these tired racist tropes.
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Yeah - in places where women lack rights guess what they don't report.
Then we'd see rates at zero. We don't so your theory is immediately discredited.
It's truly amazing how the liberal brain fails to think.
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