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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 10 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Sustainable rocket program.

Like SpaceX does it.

The current launch used supplies and technology that can no longer be produced, is single use, and has enough potential points of failure that it’s taken them months beyond the original launch date to achieve conditions for a reliable launch.

At least Isaacman has them on a path to achieve something repeatable in the future.

[–] runner_g@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 hours ago

I'll take a delayed success over a rushed failure every day of the week

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 24 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

SpaceX’s only current launch capability is to LEO and it took them 20 years to make it ‘sustainable’. This rocket is going to the moon today.

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Falcon Heavy is quite a capable rocket, with about 60% of the SLS's payload capacity to LEO when the side boosters are reused (although it's almost never used for LEO, since no one actually needs that large of a payload there...).

New Glenn can reuse it's whole first stage, but currently has only 47% of the SLS's payload capacity to LEO. (with plans for a larger variant)

Starship... has been kind of a mess. At least with how their timeline has compared to their goals. They have demonstrated several successful launches, but with the reliability of their past few, I doubt anyone will trust them anytime soon.

China seems extremely close to having a partially reusable heavy lift rocket, they have said that they'll test it in the first half of this year (LEO payload a little bit higher than Falcon Heavy, but they plan to go to the moon with something very similar). India has some looser long-term plans.

As a spaceflight nerd, I was thinking today about why I (and everyone else) don't care that much about the Artemis launch. I think it's largely because it's not demonstrating anything new; they already did basically the same mission but without the people in it, and even more advanced missions with people in them were done in the 1960s. The rocket itself though isn't helping, the only things it has going for it compared to other modern rockets are that it's large and probably reliable. The technology is basically just re-used space shuttle parts, there's nothing that seems particularly innovative, and reusing old technology hasn't prevented it from being extremely expensive compared to basically everything else (~20x the cost of New Glenn, Falcon Heavy, or Starship per launch...). It's also worse for the environment in basically every way (expendable, and has solid fuel boosters).

I kind of agree with what some other people have been saying about NASA for a while now. They should probably just stick to the satellites, rovers, and technology tests, making their own launch vehicle is not really helping anyone. The usefulness of being a government funded thing is that they can do the type of science to help humanity that doesn't turn a profit. They don't really need their own launch vehicle to do their science, and the vehicle itself is so conservative that I'm sure they aren't really learning anything from it. If they were actually capable of producing something economical and better than the corporations then it wouldn't be a problem, but that will never happen with Congress pushing rocket designs that "seem like they would be cheaper" and forcing NASA to route all work through insanely inefficient military contractors.

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Your thoughts seem like they make sense in the current system, and it kinda does, I see where's you're coming from. But what you're basically saying is "privatize spaceflight and let open scientific research and the progress of humanity be dependent on the whims of billionaires".

Obviously, with all the problems the US government has, this thought of yours might even be kinda good in this current situation. But if you actually go to implement it, you're doing a really bad thing for the far future of spaceflight. What should actually happen is that the US government should be changed to let NASA be effective and efficient without dumb political constraints.

And SpaceX and other private actors should only be allowed to continue what they're doing if they share their technology/expertise with NASA.

That would have the same good effect as what you propose, just without this shitty system staying like it is.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Starship has been a mess because they're constantly changing things and experimenting. They got v1 working then moved to v2 which had some issues, they get v2 working and they immediately move to v3. There are so many changes in v3 I imagine its going to have its own teething problems as well.

Until they decide they are happy with something and commit to that as a launch vehicle and test other variations separately from their launch version, its probably going to keep happening and keep people wary of wanting to use it.

Edit: they're already talking about making changes so it can do 200t to orbit. But if they just get v3 working then switch to that, it'll be the same problem all over again.

Edit: working excluding rentry heat shield anyway, they haven't proven they can make starship reusable yet.

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, just the 2 identical failures on Starship V2 I think destroyed a lot of trust

and afaik they still haven't had a reentry that hasn't seemed at least somewhat like a miraculous survival... I know they were testing out different types of heatshield tiles on the last launch though which was where a lot of the weirdness was from

What I was referring to though was the very.. optimistic timelines they've had in the past. HLS was supposed to be ready last year.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Ya, those 2 V2 failures that were the same was pretty brutal.

They are testing out new things on all those descents, and ya, I think they we're surprised it survived some of them as well. They talk a lot about changes to the heat shield, moving flaps to different locations, and how they even remove tiles from critical areas to see if it will survive or not. That SS is doing a pretty good job on surviving, ignoring the impacts on any cargo/human inside.

Making that ship survive re-entry in a re-usable manner is going to be their biggest challenge I think, and if they can't, that will really limit what they can do. They could still send stuff to orbit, but then they might need to deorbit every starship into the ocean then? That would be a really bad look. Refuelling wouldn't be practical anymore as each refuel would waste a ship.

Edit: If memory serves, they want to land 2 in the ocean again, in a row and have it be precise, and if they can do that, try landing one back at starbase, so we're at a bare minimum, 3 launches before they can even inspect a starship that survived and see what needs to be done, and if it's even remotely close to being reusable or wrecked in ways they don't know yet. For all we know that heat shield is completely destroyed and they have to go back to square 1.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

If SpaceX realllllllly wanted to, Falcon Heavy could likely pull off a lunar return trip like this (edit: with modifications), but ya, SpaceX designed their existing rockets around reusability in LEO.

When you don't have to think about reusability, it's a lot easier to do things, as so many problems become a lot simpler and weight savings are substantial.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 4 points 19 hours ago

Everything you say is correct, and it’s great that the mission is actually in progress.

But that is neither here nor there with the point I was making.

I’m just glad that things have the potential to turn around at NASA now. I’d love to see them back at the forefront of space exploration and technology.

[–] mech@feddit.org 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

SpaceX's "sustainable" rocket program is mostly used to litter in low earth orbit, though.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

Indeed… the program is sustainable at the expense of the environment.

But it’s a step up from not sustainable at all.

I really really hope the moon program gets beyond both those issues (figuratively and literally).