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[–] Zebrafive@lemmy.myserv.one 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've always found Harry Potter universe to be quite campy. But I also never got into Lord of the Rings and thought Game of Thrones was awful so my opinion on television media may not be average or popular.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Lord of the Rings is second to none. The amount of development that went into it is staggering. It’s as grand and epic as any of the ancient works of mythology, and that’s what it was intended to be.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I've thought for a while that Tolkien was a great world builder but a meh storyteller. His big thing was breaking that new ground. Not that I would do any better, but many other authors since have.

Rowling doesn't have the breaking new ground. I don't get why her shit got so popular in the first place. I lost interest when the first movie was basically going down a list of pre-Tolkien fantasy tropes like it was a checklist.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I couldn't get through Tolkien. I tried reading the Hobbit but gave up when it started talking about blue beards and gold belts. It felt too arbitrary to hold my interest.

But the LotR movies are needlessly slow. It's Peter Jackson's directing style, which only works in that very specific context where a large portion of the audience is ready to fill in the blank spaces, and the rest of the audience forgives it because they expect it to be a rambling epic.

Every shot is one second too long. You could cut an hour from the runtime just by cutting out the lingering reaction shots. Every time Sam or Frodo says something, it's followed by two seconds of them staring longingly into each other's eyes. There are so many things to love about those movies, but they're basically unwatchable to me.

As for Rowling, I think her success is mostly due to accessibility. They're easy reads in a way that fantasy books almost never are. The reader doesn't have to put in any work to get to the world building.

She follows a classical plot structure. She establishes motifs early and only subverts them when subverting them becomes the obvious choice. There are many blue beard/gold belt moments, but they're propped up by easy-to-understand structures like the house system.

But yeah, then there's no depth to it after that. I always thought it was overrated.

[–] Zebrafive@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah I get it and I dont deny that. Having never read the books though, I find the movies to be somewhat difficult to follow and with the exception (probably) of the first movie, I simply dont find them memorable or ranked high in my own mind as something I want to re watch.

[–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

The story in the movie was good but lacked the ethereal fae quality and a lot of the quiet beauty in the book.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I highly recommend the books, if you can find time to read. I know a lot of people have trouble settling down to read these days (myself included). I wish I read more!

[–] Zebrafive@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Time to read yes

For me its the attention amd focused I've got time, just not tje attention and motivation (I fantasize but procrastinate)

I have been the 3rd or 4th dune book for about a year now (I have been on the last 50 pages or so for probably 6 montjs)

I have resd the first half or so of Don Quixote about 3 times

I habe now started to read Herodotus Histories for the 2nd time (didn't finish last time stopped around half way thru Book 2)

And I made the (fortuitous?) mistake of starting Hitch hikers Guide to the galaxy twice now and I did really enjoy it right off the bat, so that one might rise to the top of the list lol

I have also begun reading Amadis of Gaul due to interest in Medeival Chicalry novels and I've yet to finish King Arthur (Mark Twain) whereat I only have maybe 100pgs left. (Not a good book, TBH but it gives some background to Quixote as does Amadis of Gaul

LOTR is definitely also in this ridiculous list of want to reads. As is

Divine Comedy Aeneid Decameron Pilgrims Progress Infinite Jest Grapes of Wrath Something by Ishiguro Metamorphosis etc etc etc

I should make a post about this so.I can properly.vent instead of 'hijacking comments'

[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 2 points 22 hours ago

Divine Comedy

Get yourself a quality translation, mine was kinda ass, don't remember whose it was though.