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[–] warm@kbin.earth 42 points 2 days ago (10 children)
[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

israelis are definitely not a people that are going to get better over time. Watch any interview with israelis talking about committing war crimes. They are always smiling. They absolutely love killing, and they dont care at all who it was. The only thing that will work is flattening them. Its their inevitable future and nothing can stop that now.

[–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There's a lot of innocent people in Israel that are fighting against the current regime, just like in your country. Don't damn them just because you're angry.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

most Israelis (81%) say the military has a very or somewhat good influence on the way things are going in Israel https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/06/20/how-israelis-view-their-government-institutions-and-leaders/

73% of Israeli Jews think that suffering of the Iranian civilian population is not important in Iran War https://en.idi.org.il/articles/59726

Support for Netanyahu's party has gone up since 2023 and support for the opposition has gone down.

There comes a time when you have to admit that the apple is too rotten to be saved. Nothing will change anytime soon; if anything it will only get worse.

[–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

...are you saying that the solution for genocide is more genocide? There are a lot of innocent people in Israel. We should not be nuking those people just because their government is failing them. And likewise, the innocent people of ALL countries (including yours :) should be spared when fixing the problems caused by a corrupt government.

Nuking countries when your goal is to stop their leaders isn't an option. Sorry. Try again.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

are you saying that the solution for genocide is more genocide?

Israel not existing is not a genocide against Jews.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It would be a genocide against isrealis.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Israel could stop existing without a single person dying.

It wouldn't happen, but it could.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Exile, statelessness, and ethnic cleansing are forms of genocide.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It's not exile if you're not from there.

You're not stateless if you're not from there.

It's not ethnic cleansing if you are a colonizer being removed.

With that said I don't generally think that Israelis born there should be removed. But that's up to the Palestinians, it's their land.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That's a fair compromise. Sucks for the people born there, but it's a lesson to not do colonization.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. Palestinians are generally very kind (and very religious) people, though positive generalizations are still generalizations. Or yeah, maybe they wouldn't be willing to risk making the same mistake twice, and no one could really reasonably blame them for that either.

Long way to go before we need to think too hard about that anyway, unfortunately.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

True, and I do think we need to expand our imagination to include outcomes that don't rest on Israeli hegemony.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Can't build a better world if you don't imagine one first, that's for sure.

[–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Were whites genocided with the fall of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa?

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Not to my knowledge. I had understood that they were allowed to stay. In Rhodesia they had "their" land expropriated, so many chose to leave, and In South Africa they had their political dominance ended. The issue of land expropriation remains under debate.

In both cases it wasn't bloodless, and south Africa retains a white population to this day, so clearly not genocided.

I am not deeply familiar with the history of Zimbabwe, so if you are, please enlighten me.

[–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The end of "Israel" will probably go similarly. The people who are fine with living alongside Palestinians as equal citizens will stay, the racial supremacists will leave, at least some war criminals will need to be punished, though it's basically a society of war criminals from top to bottom, so all of them won't be feasible. There will be some bloodshed but hopefully not too much.

I'm not deeply familiar with Zimbabwe either, but there wasn't a white genocide.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago
[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago (5 children)

No other country has this much popular support for an ethno-supremacist nationalist policy of extermination. Even the US, which is the most hated worldwide right now, sits at 30% support, at best. The "innocent" people of Israel (if you can call people who serve in the IDF that) can always go back to the countries they came from before colonizing a land that wasn't theirs, that was stolen through murder and displacement.

I'm not pretending to know the solution, but the time for peaceful resolution has passed by at least 70 years. Any solution that comes now will involve violence against one side or the other. Thinking otherwise is utopian nonsense.

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[–] theolodis@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

I think what they want to say is that the solution for a colonial apartheid state is to send the colonizers home where they came from.

Is that a genocide in your opinion?

[–] warm@kbin.earth 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its obviously hyperbole. Completely carpet bombing the population isnt a step I would want to take. But if Israel disappeared overnight, I surely wouldnt miss it.

Also, lets not downplay the killing of thousands and thousands of innocents by Israel.

[–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Killing more innocents doesn't solve the problem, AND is the same as your chief complaint.

Don't do that.

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