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leaders with the most prominent Trump-resistance group organizing “No Kings” answered that complaint Saturday when Indivisible’s Ezra Levin took to the stage in Minneapolis and announced that a nationwide general strike is planned for May 1, modeled after a successful local action that shut down much of that region in January

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[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's very different to the one where I am. Here every leftist org shoves anyone wanting violence out and does their best to make sure everyone knows they're not a part of the movement and should be shunned. They all want to just be peaceful and believe nonviolence is the only way to get anything done.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well. See the protest movements have to make sure that the public sees them as non violent. Especially when it's still early. And especially to keep trump from using the military against them.

Remember what happened with BLM? low public support even though it was a very valid movement.

Now firstly, I'm pretty sure a lot of those rioters were opportunists because their targets were just stores with high end goods and not legitimate targets of oppression.

But it didn't matter. The stereotype of blacks being violent was validated by these people even if they were the minority. And it very much hurt the support of the movement.

You have to warm people up to violence and vandalism. And you have to make sure it looks legitimate. Like with Luigi.

Have a few who start. Slow. Then more people will join in.

also as a slightly off this point but still on topic.

I was watching this 2 part pbs documentary about suffragettes.

Basically the historians said that they needed an extreme group and a moderate group.

Because the moderate group looked extreme without a comparison.

When the extreme suffragettes started with their more aggressive tactics like burning down buildings and houses and such, the moderates and their demands seemed very reasonable.

Unfortunately one of the other ways that suffragettes were extreme was that one half of them also wanted black Americans to be able to vote. The other did not.

Now this is definitely a shitty part of history in the U.S.

But if we consider the strategy of this division of extreme and moderate civil rights group and how effective it was, we could apply it to modern day to get compromises that actually are much better than if only the moderates were being considered.

For instance.

Iets say I want it easier for immigrants to become U.S citizens or get work visas. (I do).

But I can instead argue that u.s citizenship should be given to anyone who lives here for 1 year or longer.

The compromise might be that I get almost near what I actually want.

Anyway I'm getting off topic. But yeah.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Refusing to allow for a variety of tactics is how to make sure nothing ever changes for the better. This has been well documented.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree that non violence doesn't really work on its own. But it can help support more aggressive action , albeit, unintentionally.

People fighting against oppression need to be ramped up to violence and extremism.

They don't start that way right off. People start to get frustrated with the lack of progress of "peaceful' methods and will start taking matters into their own hands.

The peaceful movements still help keep public opinion more positive.

It's weird how we glorify war veterans that kill, murder, rape.

But in our history and reflections, we often look poorly on the extremist of civil rights and revolution movements as being out of control and excessively violent. And promote the leaders who were peaceful but didn't actually achieve much.

Yet it is those extremist people who actually make the change happen.

It's a bit of a paradox.

You don't want a culture or society to promote violent behaviors in the people, because when you do it often spills over into people hurting each other (within the same society).

But if you discourage violence and see it as always wrong, then those who do use it will be on top with no one to hold them accountable.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

At the very least in states where open carry is legal encourage people to bring guns and masks to these parades. Make sure they are seen by any cop or government enforcer who would love to look for a weakness to get in and arrest people for no reason. Encourage everyone there to purchase guns and point them towards things like Pink Pistols and other organizations that are outwardly friendly towards LGBTQ+ and other leftists. Do this the same , if not greater, extent ya'll keep pushing to register to vote and vote Democrat cause those bastards aren't going to help us even if given a supermajority thanks to their love of the rotating villain and need to "reach across the aisle and compromise".