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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You have no idea how true your statement is, if we go back to early zionism they had an opposition movement, the Bund, the bund was a jewish labour movement about jewish pride and culture, and most importantly, that jews belong wherever they are, we were made in the diaspora and we belong where we are.

In contrast the Zionism was extremely antisemitic, only the Hetzel and his buddies were good jews, integrated enough to be "Civilized" while still jewish, bellow them there were Coffehaus jews who were more integrated, and bellow them the OstJews the primitive poor jews (Fiddler on the roof). They hated them, and hope that they will be civilized, and those where only Ashkenazim, other jews barely count because they were of inferior races and primitive "barbarian" cultures.

And when nazis arrived, they struggled with boycotts and sanctions, and zionists made a deal with Hitler, to self ethnically cleanse themselves and pay tariffs and help finance Nazi Germany in the process (Haavara agreement). This also hurt international boycotts, because why Boycott nazis for antisemitism if jews are not following the boycotts.

not sure how much support they gave them, and I wonder if it wasn't for that support the Nazi state would have collapsed before the Holocaust. but the end result was the survival of Nazi Germany, and the Holocaust, which genocided the jews that stayed and the Bund movement.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Actually I do but I'm still glad you shared that. It gets worse than that though. Zionist viewed the traditional “ghetto Jew” with absolute revulsion and operated on a framework of psychological essentialism and social dominance orientation.

Chaim Weizmann, the first president of Israel, didn’t want the Jewish masses saved; he viewed them as an inferior caste. In 1937, reflecting on the fate of Europe’s Jews, he said:

“Millions of Jews are dust on the wheels of history that will have to be blown away. They must accept their fate. We do not want them crowding into our Tel Aviv, turning it into a low-grade ghetto.”

Ze’ev Jabotinsky, founder of Revisionist Zionism, built his movement on collective narcissism, violently contrasting his ideal new “Hebrew” with the traditional Diaspora Jew (whom he derisively called the “Yid”). He wrote:

"Because the Yid is ugly, sickly, and lacks decorum, we shall endow the ideal image of the Hebrew with masculine beauty. The Yid is trodden upon and easily frightened… The Yid is despised by all."

Arthur Ruppin, father of Zionist Sociology, openly embraced eugenics and racial hygiene, treating the Jewish diaspora as raw “human material” to be filtered.

David Ben-Gurion, first prime minister of Israel, frequently and dismissively referred to Diaspora Jews, including Holocaust survivors arriving in Israel, as “human dust” that had no roots and needed to be entirely forged into something else. He argued for strict selection policies to keep the mentally ill, physically weak, or socially “undesirable” Jews out of Palestine so they wouldn’t pollute the new nationalist project.

Rudolf Kasztner, the Zionist leader in Hungary during WWII, negotiated directly with Adolf Eichmann to secure a rescue train for a few hundred prominent Zionists and wealthy individuals. Meanwhile, he intentionally kept quiet as over 430,000 Hungarian Jews were deported to Auschwitz.

Some brave scholars despite immediately being labeled as antisemitic have explored correlations between language used by Zionists against Jews and how it relates to language used during the Salem witch trials, and finding that the negative perception many in the global community had against Jews was manufactured through deliberate efforts by early Zionists indicating the language itself & stereotypes they perpetuated contributed to later actions by Nazi Germany.

the more I learn about zionism the more disappointed I am in humanity

[–] Upgrayedd1776@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

bibi's father was part of those buddies wasn't he? they were also called irgun or something right?