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Huge swings to ONP, against Libin today's SA election, small swing against ALP, towards Greens (infosec.pub)

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Sadly there's too much for me to reply to

what information does that give them? What would the Greens do if they wanted my vote? All my vote really says is, “I prefer this other party”, but not which policies I like, or even if it’s the policies I have a problem with.

They can get quite a lot out of it, if you live an exciting life like me and tried to read

Review of Labor's 2019 Federal Election Campaign

https://alp.org.au/media/2043/alp-campaign-review-2019.pdf

They go into detail on where and who was unhappy with them, for example:

Labor’s position on Adani sent a message to workers and their families in central and north Queensland that Labor did not value them or the work they do, a problem magnified by the Stop Adani Convoy. A perception Labor was not supportive of the mining industry may have also damaged the Party across the rest of Queensland

The swing against Labor was driven by a mix of national and local dynamics. The Labor-Greens agreement that underpinned the minority state Labor government in Tasmania from 2010 to 2014 remains a sore point for many voters in northern Tasmania, who view the Greens as implacably hostile to their interests, values and livelihoods. For a Labor candidate in northern Tasmania, any perception a vote for Labor could lead to more power and influence for the Greens is very damaging.

So while in isolation a single vote doesn't accurately tell the pollies what you're after, in aggregate they're the loudest voice in the room

Our biggest weapon is our labour. If you, me and millions of other people all voice a unified demand and stop going to work, that’s both a more accurate weapon (they know precisely what we want changed) and a weapon that can bring a government to its knees - look at revolutions overseas started by strikes. And it also works against companies which don’t even let us vote!

I'd agree in principal because there are plenty of examples in history to show when workers said this fucking sucks I'm not doing this anymore and they all collectively agreed to stop work it does work, but I guess I can't see this happening as much anymore, the demands are also strange

ABC journalists to strike for first time in 20 years with widespread news disruption expected

“Management have played very dirty in negotiations and don’t think we deserve pay that’s in line with inflation (despite giving themselves massive bonuses). They won’t even make an assurance that AI won’t take over our jobs.

I was like when has it ever been a thing that you get a pay raise in line with inflation? isn't it always what the market offers?

“No one has provided any evidence to me to suggest ABC staff are paid less than industry standards,” Marks said. “In addition, the leave provisions ABC staff receive are generally more generous than many other major workplaces.”

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/mar/23/abc-staff-strike-first-time-20-years

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/feb/16/cfmeu-victorian-branch-15bn-cost-estimate-explained-administrator-report-ntwnfb

I myself have no reason to do this as my life is too comfortable, given by all the RAM trucks and SUV's I saw on the way into the city today it seems like we're in a real K shaped economy

[–] eureka@aussie.zone 2 points 4 days ago

I was like when has it ever been a thing that you get a pay raise in line with inflation? isn’t it always what the market offers?

First things first: it doesn't really mater if "it's a thing" - most of our historical wins, that we take for granted, weren't a thing until they were.

But since we're in a liberalist market economy, 'the market' here is really just business administration offering as high or low as they want, so long as there are some workers who accept it (and so long as they don't violate minimum wage laws). So if the typical worker doesn't want our real wages to spiral down, we have to play our part in shaping what is acceptable in the market. If we work together, we have a stronger voice, and can make the reasonable demand that our pay doesn't just decrease every year without reason.

I myself have no reason to do this as my life is too comfortable

Surely your life improves as the living situation of people around you improves.

For example, if you interact with people daily, and some of them aren't comfortable enough to take time off work when contagious, or to afford better food or medicine to defend against illness, or are simply more stressed in general, then that increases the odds of you getting sick. And if you're in an emergency situation and have to go to hospital (even private), less workload on the hospitals means faster and less rushed service to you. There are hundreds of other similar examples, no point in me carrying on as I'm sure you can think of a few others.