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[–] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Satan is not out here murdering 168 school children. Christians are doing that. Satan is not out here raping and genociding its neighbors. Jews are doing that. Satan is not out here murdering peaceful protestors. Muslims are doing that.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Satan doesn't kill a single person in the Bible. Yahweh on the other hand...

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Satan isn't really much of a presence in the Bible at all. Christians made up more shit to have something to blame for everything they don't like.

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Wasn't it that Satan did 4 things?

  • A bit of arrogant rant that he is not gonna serve humans. Got thrown to hell. By all loving father. Yeah.
  • Still pissed, nudged Eve to break the God rule about apple. God had a meltdown and not only banished but also cursed Adam and Eve.
  • Teased Jesus to break his goal. Didn't work.
  • Teased God on few occassions about devotion of humans. Then God made people suffer to prove his point.

Like, Lucifer always seemed to me more like disgruntled old family friend/worker than some evil guy.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

The serpent being Satan was a retcon from the New Testament, too.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"I'm not in the business of murdering innocent children. That's God's jurisdiction."

- Lucifer, The Devil's Carnival

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Or rather nationalists. It's not that the IDF is a religious organization or something

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Eh, don't know if you can truly separate the IDF and their religion. Certainly the rhetoric they employ relies upon it.

[–] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So why is the Israeli government and IDF committing a genocide?

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because of nationalism and colonialism. They might use religious rhetoric where it suits them and there are religious people in government, I don't deny that, but over all it's a ethnic supremecist ideology and religion is only one identity marker, not the motivator.

[–] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And all of this is rooted in religious overtones. You take the religious aspects out and I doubt this would be happening. The ethnic supremacy is rooted in religion.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Murican patriotic rhetoric is full of liberty and the founding fathers and the flag and stuff. Do you think, without one of these elements, there would be no nationalism?

[–] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not talking about the US.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago

And I was giving an example of nationalism that's more than its rhetoric

[–] toad@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yes religions are the cause of every issues /s not imperialism or capitalism, religion.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 12 points 1 week ago

Organized religion is a very useful tool for imperialism and capitalism, and I'm tired of pretending it isn't

[–] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't recall saying any of these words you're putting in my mouth. Are you suggesting the people committing these atrocities are not what I say they are?

[–] deacon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Evangelical Christianity IS a manifestation of capitalism. It is the culture arm of capitalism.

[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It predate capitalism by a thousand year but ok.

You're thinking of protestant, it's not secret that allowing usury meant breaking up from the pope. But even then, religions are theaters of the class war, not only tools for the powerful.

[–] deacon@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Christianity predates capitalism. Evangelical Christianity is a much more modern development.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Racism literally came from Christianity. It definitely is the problem and creates a framework to allow capitalists/wealthy to take advantage of people.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From Abrahamic religions in general. They seem to share the theme a lot

[–] toad@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

yea japan is notoriously racism-free.

I know you guys are oppressed by a bunch of christian fundamentalist, but my wife is muslims and secularists here would love to "remigrate" her to the very same biggots that tried to kill her.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Imagine confusing xenophobia with racism. While there are some traditional cultural groups that experience discrimination this does not translate to general racism like in the US or European.

https://weai.columbia.edu/news/qa-professor-michael-sharpe-racism-and-immigration-japan

Most African Americans experience more freedom in Japan than in Christian dominated cultures. Why is that?

Toad opens mouth and inserts foot.

[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Because japanese racism is mostly targetting chinese and korean whereas black people is presented to them through american medias, which they consider high culture.

Japan was allied with the nazis ffs

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Glad we can put you silly comment about racism to rest

The US funded the Nazi for Christ's sake. What is your point?

[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My point is that the US isn't evil specifically because it's christians and that religion isn't the enemy.

My wife's muslim and the fascists here would have no problem shipping her back to the very same place where extremists attempted to her life. In the name of atheism.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Christianity is very evil, no denying it. Read the Bible, full of disgusting displays of manipulation and power.

[–] toad@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] toad@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I know all this. Ever heard of liberation theology? Religion is a theater of the classwar, not an enemy in itself.

Nowadays secularists want to "remigrate" my wife because she's muslim.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

I have heard many theories in my life, religion has always been used to enslave and control. That is the reality.