In early August, deputies of the Ukraine president's 'Servant of the People' party in the national legislature ('Rada') introduced a bill that provides for the conscription of forced labor of all those who have not been conscripted to the armed forces. Formally free citizens who already cannot legally leave the country due to wartime restrictions will now also be subjected to forced labor.

This was really inevitable, yeah.

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (12 children)

So uh, what do you expect them to do when invaded by a foreign army?

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

To be allowed to migrate and seek asylum because the people don't want to die in the front for a piece of land? That's exactly what I would want if it were me. Would you want to be conscripted for forced labour with the risk of getting sent to the front lines because of some war you don't want to be part of? And if you say "they definitely want to be part of it," then explain why the draft and conscription are needed in the first place.

[+] Candelestine@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, I didn't ask what "you would want". I mean I want a million dollars, but wanting things is easy.

I asked what should they do? What should their country do?

What would you do if you were their absolute ruler? Surrender?

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Well, if they're democratic they should let the people (in which case my self-insert would apply) decide what to do. But a reasonable government could, for example, negotiate an immediate ceasefire and acquiesce to the winning side's demands to prevent further bloodshed. Or it could grab teenagers off the street and tentative migrants and send them to their deaths. Obviously, I already know that the Ukrainian government and their NATO allies prefer the latter, but we shouldn't pretend there weren't other options.

Edit:

What would you do if you were their absolute ruler? Surrender?

Well, yes? Assuming I give even half a fuck about people's lives, I'd prefer a negotiated peace instead of this shitshow any day. Russia's demands aren't even that hard to meet, they're just dragging this out for profit at this point.

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

also I feel like ukraine should have just let the separatist regions be independent, and not try to erase them from the face of the earth

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago

I usually don't spring that one on them because I'm pretty sure that a lot of Ukraine enjoyers don't actually know about the Donbas war. It'd be a while to explain, so I try to meet them in the middle a bit, but yes, that would have been the absolute best decision back in 2014.

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