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iOS users were *nix users 15 years before linux was actually usable
Classic Mac OS was not unix like. Mac OS X, which was based on NeXTSTEP was. But that came out in like 2001.
iOS came out in 07
I was playing WoW on linux long before the iphone was a twinkle in steve jobs's eye.
I was playing Doom on SPARC Unix, when apple was still trying to add resizable windows...
I don't think people realise just how much they were screwed because of apple and microsoft manipulating the market so much.
WoW was introduced in 04 or 05 and the first iPhone was 07 depending on how you trace iPhone lineage thatโs not exactly correct.
If we trace iPhone back via PDAโs we have to start talking Newton which was out by the early to mid 90โs so it predates Steveโs return so it was definitely a twinkle in his eyes.
I used Gentoo in that timeframe and it wasnโt exactly a simple process to get any Linux running on a laptop (desktops were different Iโm sure) which is why I used Gentoo. I figured if I was going to have to search and compile shit I might as well compile the whole thing.
PDAs are not "SmartPhones". if we want to go that route, we can trace the first "Smart Phone" to the Berkley Unix "Mobile Phone Device".
iPhone was the first to market, but to get there required them pushing vendors into exclusivity agreements and Steve Jobs threatening to "flatten Thier companies, in court" if they backed out and refused.
Steve was very biligerent to his friends and allies. shrewd, like a dictator, not like a general. if he didn't like your descent he would steamroll over you. he would make promises all the time to his staff, to get them to work harder on projects, just to peacemeal them and shoehorn them into weaker projects that would make customers dependent and demand more.
what Steve jobs did best, is know how to make a cult and exploit the desire for "if only it could do 'X' it would be perfect".
don't take my word for It. his business partners said the same thing... they begged him to come back as he sabotaged them externally when they tried to improve...
apple went through a period where they genuinely were improving. they sold Thier software and hardware to third parties to make Thier own versions...
but then Steve jobs went and sabotaged them, got a massive amount of bad press for apple to make them appear weak, and put the 2 final nails in the coffin.
he pushed software vendors to support m$ and next step more.
then he went to apples suppliers and made it for it was even more difficult for them to develop in-house hardware to compete with third parties...
all of this, so they would start to go bankrupt so Steve could ride in on his white horse going "See, you should of stuck with my vision". then Steve goes and pushes for restrictive hardware with a architecture change so third party models would be obsolete, clones pc-clones from asia (mostly JVC/nec) which were exploring with transparent plastics and still tried to shovel next step to everyone...
If not PDA how do you trace the history of smart phones?
by the first device intended to run full applications from external developers and interact with a active web.
this even puts palm, blackberry and early windows mobile devices barely outside of the cutoff sadly. they simply weren't designed for the "extensions" people used to make them bridge into becoming a "smart phone".
most of that list also is post-iphone/iPod too, which makes it kinda moot.
it's kinda why windows phone, iOS and Android are treated as the "first" of their kind. as that was Thier intent from the start.
Again, how do we trace the lineage of smart phones if not through PDAs?
Shit, I'm still waiting for the day macos (I assume that is what we are actually talking about here) is usable.
iOS is not unix like, stop spreading misinformation
Correct.
IOS is based on Mac OS, which is certified unix.
https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3725.htm
what
iOS is a fork of MacOS, which is actually UNIX
in any self respecting independent posix benchmark MacOS is almost always leading or at least in the top 10% at being the worst one(s) in posix compatibility, iOS completely hides all and any UNIX-like userspace to the end user, MacOS hasn't cared about posix compatibility and unix-likeness more than enough to get a cert to claim posix compatibility and ships outdated versions of many CLI utils and many things in which although outside of POSIX are expected to be in a certain way in unix-like OS which MacOS simply doesnt follow or care at all (e.g basic FHS, /home etc...)