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Women are being abandoned by their partners on hiking trails. What’s behind ‘alpine divorce’?
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 17 Mar 2026
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Women need to stop putting their faith in shitty men.
God forbid shitty men are told to be less shitty.
They're told that all the time and they don't listen or care because they are shitty.
Everyone who rewards their shitty behavior encourages it.
As does everyone who ignores their shitty behaviour.
I will say that us women get pretty fucking tired of often being the only ones to speak up tho.
Yes. We really need more men to call each other out for this shit.
But somehow, all of the messaging to convince men to raise the floor have somehow been received as an attack on manhood when in reality, the results would benefit both men and women immensely.
It's complete hypocrisy to direct this criticism at men specifically, given things like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3PgH86OyEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEZH6YSQvwA
Return to reality. For one thing, the bystander effect is gender-neutral, so encouraging people to speak up when they witness mistreatment of others, regardless of the sex of either the perpetrator, the victim, or the witness, is inarguably positive. But singling out the sex that is demonstrably most likely to intervene when the opposite sex is witnessed being mistreated, as if males are the only ones that need to be 'called out' for non-intervention, does nothing but expose an extremely-obvious bias.
Equality looks like oppression to men because they benefit from how society is now. They don’t care that women are blamed for how they act, they want to continue to oppress women for their own gain.
I feel like men teaching other men to grieve "losses" of male advantages is just one of many tactics used to spread anti-equality attitudes.
But yes, I agree. Many see "removal of unfair advantage" as "losing" instead of "rebalancing." Not sure why you are getting downvoted for it.
Because I've pissed off some of the men in this thread and they've gone through and downvoted a lot of my comments. Meh.
Well said
"Everyone who disagrees with me is acting irrationally"
Nah I’ve been on the internet long enough to know how this works.
Especially places like this where there are significantly more men than women. I’ve been outspoken my whole life, I’m aware of what men think of me.
I don't doubt that there are people who would serially downvote you, but it also seems likely to me that if you're expressing a consistent sentiment that someone disagrees with, their votes would be mostly downvotes as they read through the thread. As much as we try to make it otherwise, they are still used as an "I disagree" button.
Most of my comments were heavily upvoted before being downvoted so whatever. I can see when my comments get downvoted after I engage in a conversation with a man who disagrees with me.
But I don’t expect you to believe me anyway. I’m aware of where I am.
Genuine if slightly antagonistic question, is this not what you literally just did to me in another subthread here? You went in and downvoted me and upvoted orioler, no?
I didn’t go through your post history and downvote your other comments, no. I downvoted your comments directly to me that I don’t think contribute positively to the conversation.
I agree with orioler’s comments so I upvoted those.
You, too, have been downvoting my comments so there ya go lol
That's fair then, and you are correct to point out that I'm doing the same thing. I do think you have left some good and valuable comments in here, but I'm sure you can tell that by and large I do not think that's the case for all of your takes.
And I’m sure you can tell by now that I don’t care what you think. You’re like a bunch of the men in here dogpiling on women’s perspectives and thus can be ignored with the rest.
You can choose to believe that, but my perspective is wholly my own, as much as such a thing can be separated from a gendered experience at least, and is not intended to dogpile people. I think even if you believe the other person in a conversation is not acting in good faith, it can still be useful to understand their worldview to learn why they are acting how they are. You may disagree with me, but I think if you look at what I've said with the goal of learning what and how I think, you will gain a more complete understanding of why I have said what I've said. It's probably more effort that is reasonable to ask of someone to do that, but I find it valuable to try. Of course, sometimes the conclusion will be that the other person really is unreasonable; nothing you can do about that tbh.
I’ve seen your replies here - they’re primarily focused towards the women.
As I said in the other thread, that's because the misogynists don't have an argument worth responding to in the first place. Telling someone they suck takes one comment, discussing something takes longer.
You don’t see anything wrong with that stance?
You’re content to let misogynists spread their hate because it’s too hard to change their minds, so you’ll pick at women and their comments?
No, I do reply to mysogynists and tell them to get bent. What I'm saying is that interacting with actually intelligent (or at least interesting) takes produces many more comments.
You need to teach each other how to recognize these predators so you stop falling prey to their tactics.
Personally, I don't hang around shitbags so I don't have an opportunity to tell them what they're doing is wrong in any way that might matter to them. I've been saying this guy is trash this entire time.
What do you think the purpose of sharing stories like in the article is?
But men are very upset in here that women are talking about these stories. That it doesn't happen enough for women to talk about it. That it's sexist to share stories of the type of men who take these actions.
Women share stories, women gossip, women look out for each other in these ways all the time. We have to work together to protect ourselves from predatory men all the time.
Golly gee, thank you SO FUCKING MUCH for telling us that we need to teach each other. How would us silly women have ever thought of that if YOU didn't tell us?
A person can do both. But my words of don't be shitty won't carry as much weight as them not getting laid. So both is a far more effective choice then only one.
I will also add two more. Women should stop having babies with shitty men, as they don't teach thier sons not to be shitty, and men who get women pregnant need to step up and make sure thier son's don't grow up to be shitty men.
It's much more complicated than that. If only it were only this easy.
So many get rose colored glasses in early stage dating. We often become our best versions of ourselves, or.. project the best versions, early in dating.
Then once comfortable, the gaurd comes down, the truth of who they are comes to light, and people get hurt. Often though, now heart strings are in place, and ... name a worse duo, people pleasers/selfish people.
Yes yes, it’s all women’s fault that men are shitty. Thanks for enlightening me!
So saying both can be true now equals only one is true? I guess 2 + 2 = 5 as well.
shitty men are more attractive than not shitty men, because shitty men are willing to do whatever it takes to get the girl, and then dump her on a mountain top.
shitty men are also really good at hiding how shitty they are, until they stop hiding it.. and what a more perfect place to stop hiding it, than in the middle of no where with few witnesses.
so are shitty women.
most shitty people aren't going to be shitty in public, they wait until you are in a vulnerable moment.
Yeah they do. Ive known abuse from a few different, expierences, and it is always covert abuse. Kind people in front of others, mean/cruel behind closed doors. That how it can go on for so long and people can get trapped in these kinds of relationships. Sucks.
Yes, and it's how you get gaslit. Because everyone else thinks they are so wonderful, so if you think there is an issue, it must be you that is problematic one...
people focus way way too much on superficial bullshit. I had a few friends who fell into that trap and had super abusive partners, and I myself fell into it, thankfully not as badly though. And the abusers frame the entire think as your fault. If only you'd listen to them and make them happy, then they wouldn't' have to hit you...
Lmao, I think most shitty people tend to be pretty fucking obvious. That's sort of why people have common red flags. Like not dating people who talk down to others or who badmouth servers or who vote Republican. Because those warning signs don't usually come out of nowhere, but I will grant that sometimes, rarely, shitty people do hide themselves.
I don't think they are obvious at all.