MeanwhileOnGrad
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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
What is a Tankie?
Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.
(caution of biased source)
Basic Rules:
Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.
Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.
Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether it be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users, as it handwaves their extremism.
Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post, rather than engaging in arguments that lack mutual agreement.
Brigading/Trolling — If you're here because this community was linked in another thread, please refrain from maliciously voting, commenting, or manipulating the post in any way. This includes alt accounts. All votes are public, and if you are found to be brigading, you will be banned. Good-faith and honest communication is an exception.
Tankies can explain their views, but may be criticised or challenged for them. Any minor infraction of the rules may result in a warning and possibly a temporary ban.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically last only 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction doubles the duration. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
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Tankie takeover? I always thought that the whole point of the anarchy instance was to try to pick up all people Russian-Chinese propaganda disguised under communist rhetoric couldn't. It's basically a charismatic facewash that falls back to the last wildcard of just trying to generically shit on governments because "they work against the people - but also, let's create all the systems governments represent while just applying the stroke of its for the people somewhere". In other words, it's the communist mantra except rather than identifying itself as communism it just focuses on identifying governments bad while trying to promote governance but with some mental gymnastic spin.
Not sure the whole lemmy-derived fediverse hasn't been irrevocably tainted by these cult-forming/alt-bot factory communities. You can find instances that defederate from these, the problem is you immediately get a dissected part of the community because they are the baseline founding communities and the resulting conversations have discourse hidden from you that they don't and can freely attempt to manipulate.
.ml doesn't have the most active communities since a few years
!asklemmy@lemmy.world is much more active than !asklemmy@lemmy.ml , !fediverse@lemmy.world is much more active than !fediverse@lemmy.ml
For the few remaining, there are usually alternatives, e.g. !privacy@lemmy.ml , but !privacy@programming.dev is a valid alternative
The current system is flawed. This system will always carry its foundational weaknesses. Your counterexamples are examples of the dissection you have to force, never mind that it does not address the problem at the user level.
Nobody had to force !asklemmy@lemmy.world to overcome !asklemmy@lemmy.ml , it just happened organically as LW grew its userbase
Could they remain in !asklemmy@lemmy.ml and continue to participate in !asklemmy@lemmy.world? If not, then they had to force themselves to begin posting and commenting elsewhere. For casual users, it is organic because they just go to the Active listings, but the dissection is still there. Hunting for minutiae like this and how you can redefine things into other things does not address the elephant in the room.
They've got linux hostage though 😢
Problem is, I've heard, that .ml and .world share funding and isn't .dev tankie ridden too? Either that or it's full of AI bros, I could be wrong.
Ml and world definitely don't share funding, and .dev isn't tankie ridden as far as I know
Yeah, lemmy is well and truly dead. you need diversity for a platform to grow and Lemmy doesn't have that since all the "bad diversity" has been removed.
I don't see it that way, but I do see users coming into it and having to face lower quality arguments without nuance along with trolling or having to face low interaction rates, or ridiculous beehive charades of argument chains too surreal to seem real, and just choosing to go back to the mainstream platforms instead.
Yep. And at times, that and worse from mods.
As per the
effect.
Gate-keeping. Groupthink of the mods.
Though, lets remember, this is still the fediverse. It's not a monolith where the mods are the mods. Mods some communities are worse, some are better, and we can always start our own communities and host our own instances.
Robust enough against lemmy being "dead", like @goat@sh.itjust.works said.
Can you find me one conservative community on lemmy?
I'm of the belief that if you want to grow a forum, you need to cater most groups. Otherwise you'll stagnate and die.
You have (some of) the functionality, but the defaults suck and the way to fix it might mean a lot less people and expertise involved in the discourse
I mean it seems pretty alive to me on a community level, it's just that the devs make it's failure inevitable, which is why I jumped ship over here to PieFed within two months.
Anarchist are just tankies who don't like the term. Kinda like conservatives who say they're libertarians. They're just magas with hammer and sickles.
AI generated hammer and sickles
nothing screams anarchist like using GenAI and enabling enshittification.
Or nothing screams "communism" like that either.
Most anarchists who are serious are far from tankies. In fact, in my experience, I clash with anarchists because I feel they're too idealistic and unwilling to use repression on any negative element of society.
There are anarchists who converge with tankies, but generally those are the terminally online sorts who are lonely and seeking a sense of community, rather than committed ideologues.
That may be the case outside of the web, but pretty much every anarchist I have run into has been just a tankie that didn't like the title.
Or democratic socialists that like to pretend they're anti-electoral, while still saying pro-Western crap without some modicum of criticism (also though the tankies need their criticism too since often tankies devolves into fascist-adjacent or fascist governments, like China with their genocides and capitalism).
The first world left doesn't exist, it's so overly splintered with people threatening each other in knife fights over silly differences, with the spectre of western and eastern propaganda spitroasting first worlders' minds. We need someone influential in some form to lead everyone that isn't going to be Napoleon/Stalin 2.0, but that sounds like it's against conventional Marxist thought, but I don't have any better ideas.
Jesus is that what's happening? I'm not strictly a communist or anarchist (tho I consider them my allies) but maybe that's because the ones I've encountered are upfront and honest about who they are and what they believe instead of trying to obfuscate it lol Aside from outright trolling, what is even the point of acting this way? I genuinely don't get it from any perspective.