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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 92 points 1 month ago (6 children)

If yaml didn’t have anchors and 8 different white space formats, it’d be a great replacement for this kind of thing.

But yaml is a mess, and you’d think you could parse it easily, but you can’t.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 1 month ago (1 children)

YAML is redeemed by one thing only:

All JSON is valid YAML.

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No way. You're telling me I can just write json instead?

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yup! YAML is defined as a "strict superset" of JSON (or at least, it was the last time I checked).

It's a lot like markdown and HTML; when you want to write something deeply structured and somewhat complex you can always drop back/down to the format with explicit closing delimiters and it just works™.

[–] theterrasque 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I found out the hard way this is not entirely correct, as a user found a valid json that yaml parsers didn't handle. IIRC it was some exotic whitespace issue

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

Yes, in true YAML fashion, there are some edge cases where things act weird but are technically correct.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As someone who works with YAML regularly:

Fuck YAML.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 21 points 1 month ago

As someone who runs Home Assistant:
Fuck YAML.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nah, yaml isn't great by virtue of itself but with what it competes with. I far, far prefer it to any other BS. Json is garbage for human creation and obviously toml due to above. XML... Obviously just for machines.

Again, only good because of its competition.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago

I prefer writing JSON by hand. The whitespace stuff in YAML is just such a nuisance as far as I'm concerned, which is odd as I have no problem with it in Python.

[–] suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I want to like yaml, I really do, but why are there so many different ways of specifying the same thing?

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Is there a reason? Norway!

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have a fundamental disdain for formats with restrictive white space definitions (I’m looking too at you Python)

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’ve never had this issue with Python, but makefile has given me plenty of whitespace issues.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Should have added if it cares about tabs vs spaces.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago

import yaml :)

[–] derek 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm a fan of NestedText. It's no panacea but I'd argue it's the most well-considered and useful file format for structured data in plain text.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There just needs to be one universal standard that handles everyone’s use cases

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

No, for multiple standards that handle their usecase good.