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Serious question. Would Klingon culture see this as a weakness? They would be unable to reproduce but it's that dishonorable?
The honor system is pretty subjective, I believe Worf was in a catch22 where not joining the Klingons to fight the federation was considered dishonourable but betraying the federation was also dishonourable.
For this situation i would say that creating offspring would be considered honourable but lying to your partner and yourself about your true feelings of love would be very dishonourable.
Also in many context just because you did not do an honorable thing yourself, that does not automatically dishonour you.
Disclaimer: yeah Klingons are fictional and can be whatever we want them to be. And I celebrate and have no issue with Star Trek's continual inclusion of queer characters.
But would it really be so bad if Klingons did not have the same moral and cultural values that humanity does? I think it would make a far more interesting show. It's easy to preach tolerance and acceptance when everyone is culturally more or less the same, but it's a much deeper moral dilemma when there are fundamental differences in the way they view the universe.
And would be much more analogous to cross-cultural differences on Earth today.
There is nothing as manly as gay sex.
Klingon sex is akin to battle. Especially if they are "sword fighting".
The real question would be if a klingon dies during gay sex, would they go to Stovokor?
2 brave Klingon warriors locked into the heat of battle!
Yeah that was my first thought too. Was like, if sex is combat... wait how are there any STRAIGHT Klingon men actually??? Nothing more honorable than defeating a stronger foe in combat.
Also with how ingrained group dynamics are in Klingon society, I'd be surprised if poly group relationships weren't commonplace.
Ultimately I like to think its never been brought up before because the Klingons are an enlightened, advanced civilization and the idea of two dudes banging doesn't even occur to them as dishonorable or wrong.
Lol great answer
Jadzia and Worf seemed to use batleths as foreplay a lot
I feel like it wouldn't matter. Like having a romantic relationship is irrelevant to them, but the joining of houses would be a different story. Even then, the Klingons adopt and add people to their houses with some frequency, so siring an heir doesn't strike me as an obligation so much as making sure the house survives and performs deeds of honor.
For being gay? No absolutely not. Their culture does not give a shit about gender or sexuality.
For being sensitive and afraid of public speaking? Pitiful coward! He brings dishonor to his house!
In DS9, Martok respected Nog for standing up to him even though Martok could kill him with 2 fingers.
Martok: "Courage comes in all sizes"
There are cultures on earth that are straight up homophobic, but will accept the use of force for a man to penetrate another man as a show of dominance.
I worked with a Pakistani man many years ago who literally said "it's not gay if you're the one giving" and to this day I'm not sure I've heard anything gayer.
Love is love just so we're clear. I just shake my head at how badly some cultural beliefs can twist reality.
Yeah, it's a surprisingly widely held belief. Iv'e heard the same thing in both West and Southern Africa. IIRC, it was the Sierra Leonean Civil War where it was a documented practice.