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AES- Actually-Existing Socialism

Edit: Dictatorship of the Proletariat + Predominant, collective ownership and control of the economy = AES?

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[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The AE in AES can work a couple of different ways. If the question is, "What would allow rigidly defined Socialism to exist," then the answer is usually confined to history or speculation. If the question is, "Which extant states best represent an effort to dismantle capitalism," then I'd generally say it's the usual ones that identify as Socialist - China being the only superpower among them.

If we broaden the question out past AES to, "Which political efforts deserve support," then virtually any enemy of NATO can qualify. Sure, a multipolar capitalist order won't guarantee the end of capitalism, but destroying western hegemony is absolutely a prerequisite for it and pessimism on that front is needlesly tiring

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What does support from the proles actually look like? Anti-interventionism, or is there anything else? I don't really know what it would mean to say "I support Syria/Rojava" when I'm halfway across the globe.

[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

Pretty much anti-interventionism. Personally I like to educate the people around me on the ways that the US has been explicitly evil from its inception, and to use context to derail hatefests against our targets, but I don't think either of those really qualifies as meaningful support.

On a personal level, what I mean by support is mainly internal. It affects how we approach certain issues - especially calls for intervention - but it isn't a form of aid. The issue of support is much more material between nations, but for us to have any personal say in that we'd have to gain control