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What?
There's no such thing as an accidental discharge. There are negligent discharges and there are mechanical disasters. If it's not one of those then you intended for the gun to fire.
I'll agree that negligence does not equate to accident, my young child and I have been working on that lesson for years. But intent is a bit of a stretch. If it was actual intent, I'd be overjoyed. This is more of a dumpster fire just doing what it does.
You misunderstood what I'm saying. I'm saying this was a negligent discharge. It wasn't an accidental discharge since those don't exist. And it wasn't an intended discharge. And it wasn't a mechanical failure by the manufacturer or designer of the gun. The only other option is negligent discharge.
Negligent Discharge vs Uncommanded Discharge.
Negligent Discharge is where somebody carelessly caused the weapon to fire essentially via poorly handling it / being a dumbass.
Uncommanded Discharge is where the weapon essentially fires itself due to a mechanical failure or design flaw inherent to the weapon itself, such as a pistol firing on its own after being dropped and hitting the ground, despite the trigger not actually being pulled.
You can also get a 'hangfire'.
Basically, old or defective ammo can result in a situation where you pull the trigger, the hammer/striker drops... and then nothing happens for 5, 10, 15 seconds... and then the weapon fires.
Hangfires are extremely dangerous because yes, you did intend for the weapon to fire, but you also expected it to fire when you pulled the trigger, not... a random and unknowable amount of time after you pulled the trigger.
Though I guess you could get a hangfire that is initiated by an uncommanded discharge, if your Luck stat is somehow negative.
Read about this years ago. This is the only accidental discharge I've heard about. Worn leather holster pulls the trigger. In fairness, an argument can be made that using a worn/flexible holster was negligence.
That is the correct argument. This isn't an accident, this is pure negligence.
I like the documentation in that article.
The photo they show of the holster makes it very clear that this is negligence, though. there's simply no question about that. as a gun owner you are expected to be smart enough to realize that your holster must not deform in this manner, especially with that model of gun
also, personal note: fuck that guy for wearing this into a cafe
I wouldn't be surprised if 'experienced' agents are generally also incompetent. Pre-trump they would have mostly had pretty mundane duties, maybe manning a border station checking paperwork, maybe even desk jockeys. Sure "enforcement" actions were a thing, but I suspect a large number of people were never anywhere close to 'action'.
A reporter that went through the hiring process included the detail that while desk work was a possibility that a recruit had to be prepared for, it was a critical priority to get as many people on the streets with guns.
Coming from a multigenerational family of LE and Military I can tell you first hand that NDs are never common. Not even slightly.
LE and ND?
Not everyone lives in the acronym country.
Lemmy has TMA*.
*Too many acronyms
Thanks! That’s a handy one.
LE = Law Enforcement ND = Negligent Discharge.
LE - Law Enforcement, ND - Negligent Discharge
Thanks!
LE = lawful evil
LOL. Now this acronym actually makes a lot more sense.
National Dickheads.
Depends who you talk to. I know a guy in construction who has had to patch bullet holes in several LEO houses. Also at the sport men's club I'm a member of, the only shooting injury we've had was from a state trooper during a training excercise. You're point is valid, though. NDs are supposed to be minimalized through training and adherence to the 4 gun rules. These guys are morons.
Those guys are just typical gun owners. US has 44,000 accidental gun injuries a year, likely 5X more accidental discharges no one knows about.
It's dangerous.
Don't touch that.
Not that way.
What an I missing? Is the fourth also the first?
Reminds me of ‘Being a cop isn't that dangerous’.
I know very few Leo’s or vets, like only a couple. But one that I do know NDed himself in the thigh while servicing his gun.
So you 0/N is somewhat offset by my 1/4.
Servicing a gun with a round in the chamber is negligent unless you’re in active combat.
There’s no context provided, but I can’t see any situation where you service a loaded firearm and point it at your thigh.
Oh yeah totally negligent. Which was my point. There are plenty of negligent cops and service members for every careful one.
Are you saying he was cleaning a loaded gun? Or am I misunderstanding?
Was a friend of my brothers and I think he did it while attempting to clear it before cleaning.
Ah, thank you for the clarification.
"ND"? I can get as far as N-somthing Discharge.
Negligent
Ah, derp. TY. That seems really obvious in hindsight.
"TY"? I can get as far as T-somthing Yaoi.
touche
Touché Yaoi? Online? That’s disgusting. Where?
Tactical Yiffing
TIL.
They shoot themselves in the foot to get out of work.
yah... "Doubt" on that one
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