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[–] Babalugats@feddit.uk -4 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

But it's the biggest, and look how corrupt it has become. You think that those big techs are stopping at the U.S.?

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I can understand to not see India as a real democracy right now but not in the context of framing the USA as the poster child of how democracy fails. In that instance India is far larger still.

[–] Babalugats@feddit.uk 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

India is still holding remnants of feudalism since their independence, which can be seen in certain areas and way of thinking throughout India. India is also a far, far poorer country than USA, per capita especially, there's no competition.

Poorer countries are easier to corrupt and India will find it very hard to dig itself out of the hole it's in without outside interference and a lot of prosecutions.

But, corruption exists in (I would argue) every democratic country. They make up stats and skew them in their own favour in an attempt to hide it, but the people on the street aren't blind to what is happening and are very much aware of the corruption regardless of any statistics.

Trump has just taken a highlighter to everything and lit it up for those that haven't seen or didn't believe the extent it was happening.

In that sense (and I'm pretty sure it's the only sense), Trump is actually doing something good.

[–] HetareKing@piefed.social 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It's also one of the oldest (in the modern sense), an early adopter with little to no best practices to learn from. Not to mention that it kind of wandered into being a democracy through legal interpretations rather than being one by design.

Anyway, you're not looking at things structurally enough and missing the fundamental problem: excessive consolidation of power. By which I don't mean the "big government" conservatives like to complain about, because governments don't have to be monoliths, but simply what it sounds like: one entity having an excessive power at its disposal that it's able to use at its own volition. To prevent that in government you need to not only design it in a way that not one part of it has an excessive amount of power (through separation of powers, independent institutions etc.), but also have mechanisms in place to keep it that way, because it's ultimately people who are doing the execution. And any such mechanism that does not involve accountability to the public is doomed to failure, because that mechanism is, once again, executed by people, and the fewer people are involved, the easier it is to take over. In other words, it's not simply that democracy can work, it's the only thing that is structurally capable of working. Any other form of government is inherently more susceptible to corruption.

However, implementation details matter and a flawed implementation can cause it to fail. And basically every modern democratic state has one big flaw: it has political democracy, but not economic democracy. As a result, there is very little constraining private actors from accumulating as much capital (=power) as they can, based on the naive assumption that market forces are enough to prevent them from accumulating too much. And so once enough capital has accumulated in once place, that power can be used to undermine political democracy as well. So the problem here isn't that democracy doesn't work, it's that we don't have enough of it.

[–] Babalugats@feddit.uk -1 points 3 hours ago

But we already know that democracy doesn't work. What it sounds like you are describing in much of that post is anarchism (yes, I know I have mentioned it a few times, before I read your post), and with technology, which we heavily already rely on, I see no reason to attempt to try it again. Obviously on a much smaller scale so that we can easily see where lies flaws and boundaries, but we should also be doing that with democracy on a daily basis.