Lefty Memes
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of "ML" (read: Dengist) influence. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
Serious posts, news, discussion and agitprop/stuff that's better fit for a poster than a meme go in c/Socialism.
If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.
Please don't forget to help keep this community clean by reporting rule violations, updooting good contributions and downdooting those of low quality!
Rules
0. Only post socialist memes
That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme. Please post agitprop here)
0.5 [Provisional Rule] Use alt text or image descriptions to allow greater accessibility
(Please take a look at our wiki page for the guidelines on how to actually write alternative text!)
We require alternative text (from now referred to as "alt text") to be added to all posts/comments containing media, such as images, animated GIFs, videos, audio files, and custom emojis.
EDIT: For files you share in the comments, a simple summary should be enough if they’re too complex.
We are committed to social equity and to reducing barriers of entry, including (digital) communication and culture. It takes each of us only a few moments to make a whole world of content (more) accessible to a bunch of folks.
When alt text is absent, a reminder will be issued. If you don't add the missing alt text within 48 hours, the post will be removed. No hard feelings.
0.5.1 Style tip about abbreviations and short forms
When writing stuff like "lol" and "iirc", it's a good idea to try and replace those with their all caps counterpart
- ofc => OFC
- af = AF
- ok => OK
- lol => LOL
- bc => BC
- bs => BS
- iirc => IIRC
- cia => CIA
- nato => Nato (you don't spell it when talking, right?)
- usa => USA
- prc => PRC
- etc.
Why? Because otherwise (AFAIK), screen readers will try to read them out as actually words instead of spelling them
1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here
Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.
2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such
That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.
3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.
That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" (read: Dengists) (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).
4. No Bigotry.
The only dangerous minority is the rich.
5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.
(if you are reading the rules to apply for modding this community, mention "Mantic Minotaur" when answering question 2)
6. Don't irrationally idolize/glorify previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.
- Absolutely no posts or comments meant to relativize(/apologize for), advocate, promote or defend:
- Racism
- Sexism
- Queerphobia
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- Orientalism
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- Zionism
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I'm no defender of colonialism, but as with most subjects absolute statements like this miss a lot of the truth.
Cook was a complex person who lead an interesting life, and often defended native people's culture and independence. His Wiki article is well worth a read, his opinion and beliefs in it are not a rewrite of history either, they are largely straight from his reports back to the British admiralty as they happened, and taken from his journals post-humously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cook_and_indigenous_peoples
After his death in battle at Hawaii, he was worshiped (literally his bones at a shrine) for well over 50 years - multiple generations.
Yeah, you're just trying to white wash colonialism with arbritary bullshit.
Ever heard of "Actions speak louder than words"?
Why does it matter what he said more than what he did? This is just the "bush is a good guy now because he paints" and "thoughts and prayers" means I'm a good guy.
There's some people worshipping Trump too, so I guess he's not that bad, right? right?
You can fuck right off to reddit.
Oh hey look, it's those reactionary uninformed statements I was talking about.
I wrote less than a hundred words, an essay? Please. The core of my point was that it's worth reading the history before you spout off a strong opinion.
Advice you obviously didn't follow, or you'd have learned that many of Cook's actions were positive, and far more restrained than armed forces in modern day.
Ah yes, I said Cook was a complex person and the history of his interactions and the native peoples interactions was worth reading (not that I consider him a good or bad man), so that's the same as people saying they like Trump right? Gtfo here with your false-equivalences and gatekeeping Lemmy; I'm staying right here. But I will be doing it from now on with one reactionary blowhard voice filtered out of the conversation.
The guy tried to ransom the ruling chief of Hawaii because one of his boats got stolen. He had done this before with other chiefs, and it had almost lead to violence, but did it anyway.
He was killed in this struggle after he shot two Hawaiians and killed one of them. On other occasions he’d had people’s homes and canoes destroyed for theft, had people severely flogged, and cropped their ears. Who gives a fuck if he was nice sometimes…
Edit: I understand you’re going for nuance, but I feel that a culture letting off steam about a figurehead of colonisation does not require a counter narrative.
This kind of thing is why "It was a different time," is such an absolutely worthless defense of harmful behavior.
I uhh, I don't think my comment is in agreement with your statement.
I feel like "it should be considered in historical context, with an understanding of the prevailing norms of the time" is generally a pretty reasonable attitude to be honest.
Were the Maori's "brutal savages" because they engaged in cannibalism of conquered rival clansman, or were they "noble warriors" engaging in a cultural norm pushed upon them by the harsh conditions of their society at the time?
Most would say that anyone engaging in cannibalism today is a murderous psychopat. Do we then judge everyone in the last hundred years the same? 200? Where's the line? What about an uncontacted tribe we discover tomorrow that still engages in cannibalism - do we consider the context of the society and environ they live in, like an anthropologist would, or just label.. 'Nup, savages'.
I don't agree with the premise that all cannibals are murderous psychopaths. Humans are incapable of living without harming other organisms, so context matters when it comes to evaluating specific forms of harm. I struggle to think of a situation which would justify rape or slavery as necessary to continue one's life or wellbeing.
Edit: I should clarify that I don't have a problem with people eating each other at all. It's the killing of someone else that I take issue with, and killing other people is often understandable or justifiable, depending on circumstances. What you do with your murder victim matters little to me next to the murder.
What an odd moral framework you have scaffolded.
Terrible idea. Learn about prions.
I live in a society where killing someone is extremely rarely understandable or justifiable, and that is the prevailing attitude worldwide. Maybe you can clarify.
Entirely false premise. We can live very healthy as frugivores, nothing at all needs to die.
Drawing an equivalence between cannibalism and 'people gotta eat bro' with a "context matters" is wild. We're discussing the consumption of enemy flesh as a strengthening exercise - absorbing their spirit's life-force, and the life force of their ancestors that's the context of past Maori cannibalism we were diacussing, not eating for sustenance or out of a dire emergency.
I don't base my moral judgements on whether something is recommendable. Skydiving, a sedentary lifestyle, and smoking are all things that I won't do for health and safety reasons, but I don't think they're unethical, and I don't judge people who engage in them.
That isn't the case worldwide at all. Many countries have a death penalty for various crimes, and I get the impression that most people are okay with killing in self-defense or in a context of war or law-enforcement. I can understand thinking killing is never excusable if one is a true pacifist, but I am not.
We cannot. Please provide a credible medical source which claims fruitarianism is a healthful way for a human to live their whole life. Even the animals we categorize frugivores eat insects.
Speaking specifically about the Maori, I'd have to actually know what I'm talking about in some detail to pass moral judgements about them. I will assume the reason enemy combatants exist in the first place is struggles over limited resources. I think that kind of war should be avoided, but if killing someone else is necessary for your own survival then I'm not going to judge you for it. It has nothing to do with society's attitudes about killing at the time, and everything to do with the practicality of the situation.
So you have an enemy who is either dead or who you intend to kill. Why does it matter whether you eat him? If they ate him alive or something that falls under torture, and I will judge them and anyone else for it regardless of context.
Meanwhile, there are authors from not actually that long ago who've written a bunch of misogynist and racist garbage, but I'm told I can't judge them because "it was a different time." I've been told I'd probably support slavery if I'd lived in the US prior to emancipation. Being an asshole is wrong regardless of what year it is or what everyone else thinks. If there are 10 nazis at the table, I don't have to be the 11th because it's what all the cool kids are doing. That this guy was able to interact with POCs and see human beings makes it all the more damning that other people didn't. People should choose to be better when given the opportunity.
Yeah, I read the post and thought it was based in some weird appeal to current sentiments without knowing anything of the subject.