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Source?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11580103/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41533-022-00311-w
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10228557/
None of that says it's worse than smoking. Smoking gives you cancer.
Pretty sure the consensus in the medical field is that vaping is less bad than smoking and if switching to vapes helps you quit tobacco that's a net positive, but ideally you should do neither.
Vape pens produce multiple carcinogenic volatile compounds.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6343856/#%3A%7E%3Atext=Recently%2C+we+identified+15+e-cigarette+aerosol+products%2Cthe+active+ingredient+in+spray+tanning+products.
I doubt you will read that.
I can't be bothered to explain it to you:
The reality of the "delta" in harm between vaping and smoking is defined by the fundamental difference between aerosolisation and combustion. While vaping is not risk-free, major health organisations and longitudinal chemical analyses indicate that it is significantly less harmful than combustible tobacco.
possibly worse is what I wrote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronchiolitis_obliterans?wprov=sfla1
this is one of the things these articles talk about. also referred to as "popcorn lungs". I'd call this worse, but it being subjective and all I can't talk for anyone else.
Popcorn lung was discovered in popcorn factories, so those types of flavours are not used in vapes anymore.
These food flavourings have also been tested by billions of people when baking.
Of course, if you inhale nothing but flavoured vape juice, like the rat in the trial, then obviously it's going to cause harm.
Vaping is not worse than smoking on any level. It's about 95% better.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review
A few UK MDs got behind vaping, with $$$ from Phillip Morris, who heavily invested in vapes. It's not hard to find sellout MDs, especially in the UK - remember Andrew Wakefield?
That "source" was before any research into vape compounds.
BTW, it took decades before there was population evidence of tobacco smoke and cancer.
There is not a pulmonologist on this planet that calls vaping safer than anything.
Bollocks. Combustion mutates your cells and gives you cancer.
ah yes, the 1 source against the 4 I posted....
edit: which is also over a decade old! you had to dig back to 2015 to find this.
cool dude.
edit 2: your actual source. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a8171a7e5274a2e87dbda91/McNeill-Hajek_report_authors_note_on_evidence_for_95_estimate.pdf
says that the chemicals in vaping "have not been assosiated with any serious risk". which means they have yet to be found harmful.
most of the ways we figure out that stuff is harmful is later. and when we do stuff with chemicals. this is when they would use these "popcorn factory smells" you're talking about. back in 2015, the ones you said we moved away from?
yet it's also so called "95% more safe"...
Quality over quantity.
The chemicals are used in food. We would know they are harmful, the same way we discovered popcorn lung...
The risk is reduced by 95%. What don't you understand?
no, I think you misunderstand your source.
it says that the chemicals are not yet (in 2015) known to cause any harm. the big thing with vaping chemicals (as pointed out in my sources) is that you heat it up a lot and inhale it.
therefore the way these chemicals are used in vaping is very different than in food, and present different risks. so the research into vaping is it's own risk.
If you really think your source is "quality over quantity" then please do read it again, and look at the dates of the studies β€οΈ
one of mine is a so-called cumulativte study that looks over a lot of studies to find broad trends, and that one points out that it is for certain dangerous.
back in the day tobacco companies said that smoking cigarettes was not harmful. they even funded research into saying that. I'd be sceptical of companies and the narrative that they profit from.
Those food flavourings have been cooked in ovens, which are significantly hotter than vapes, in both commercial and home use for decades. The ones that caused problems got removed. They are safe to inhale, even in commercial high use areas. This is not some new area of science.
We've also been pumping disco 'smoke' into rooms with people in for decades, any risks would have been identified. It is safe, unless you vape a stupid amount. It's like 95x safer, but if you then vape 95x more than you smoke, then Darwinism is fine.
Inhaling smoke is a far higher cancer risk.
allright. keep beiliving that. good luck with your lungs. maybe you'll be lucky
I only vape cannabis. I used vapes to quit smoking. I mixed my own juice and tapered off the nicotine until I found inhaling custard flavoured disco smoke unappealing.
from the source I sendt up there
"In particular, an outbreak of E-Cigarette and Vaping-Associated Lung Illness (EVALI) brought the short-term respiratory consequences of vaping into question, especially if cannabis or THC-containing products are used[4]"
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa1916433 - this is the source they point to (i.e. [4])
I enjoy lotsa unhealthy foods and stuff myself, but on my path to quitting nicotine I did vape - and quit it due to concerning research. carcinogens as in cigarettes (and weed) is well understood. Vaping is not.
anyways! I'll finish responding now π so enjoy your stuff! just be careful spreading misleading numbers like that 95%, it's blatantaly false.
Yes, from the ingredients they put in there. You don't put oil in your lungs. Again, not new science.
That's not cigarette replacement which is where the 95% reduction in harm comes from.
I know their source... their arse.