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Is Ubuntu Treating Its Users as If They Can’t Be Trusted? (linuxiac.com)

submitted 2 days ago by cm0002@mander.xyz to c/linux@programming.dev

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Ubuntu has taken another step that, honestly, leaves me scratching my head. While most distributions try to offer as many convenient GUI tools as possible to help users manage every part of their system, Ubuntu… apparently sees things a bit differently.

I say this because Ubuntu 26.04 LTS (scheduled for release on April, 23) will no longer ship the long-standing “Software & Updates” graphical tool by default on fresh desktop installs, following a change proposed in Launchpad as bug 2140527.

The adjustment replaces the software-properties-gtk package in the desktop seed with software-properties-common, effectively removing the visible GUI while keeping the underlying repository management tools in place.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I usually use [K]ubuntu because I always try to install Debian first, but it ships with kernels so outdated that it rarely "just works" on the not-particularly-weird hardware I throw at it. That's understandable when it's missing drivers for my AMD 9070 XT GPU on launch day, but not so much when it's missing drivers for the Intel AX101 wifi chipset that got released 3.5 years before. (I've also experienced weird installation failures with Debian related to the partitioning and/or bootloader, but I don't remember the details of those right now. Point is, Ubuntu is -- unfortunately -- more reliable to install without tweaking or troubleshooting, in my experience.)

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Hmm.
When is the last time you tried Debian, and what version was it?
If I'm recommending it to people, I'd like to be able to warn them about potential hurdles.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

A week or so ago, with whatever version was current as of a week or so ago. I was about to install Linux on my kids' mini PCs, fired up the Debian live environment, and noticed that WiFi didn't work. Switched to Kubuntu and the WiFi did work, so proceeded to install with that.

Technically, I suppose it's possible that the actual installed kernel might've worked even though the live environment didn't, but I didn't want to take that chance. Plus, I needed networking in the live environment before install anyway, so I could copy a backup of the factory Win11 install to my other computer, just in case.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)

Hm. Did you see an option for "non-free firmware"? It should be included as an option since Debian major version 11.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago

It's an Intel wifi chip. It shouldn't need non-free firmware!

[–] poinck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then Fedora may be an option for you. They have a KDE spin.

Besides that, Debian is my default distro nowadays; everything just works for me.

I was using Gentoo previously for many years, because I didn't require out-of-the-box back then.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm too lazy and set in my ways to switch away from apt.

(I also used Gentoo, many years ago when I could actually be bothered.)

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I am an apt boi as well, but I recently switched to Fedora KDE spin. God has it been a breath of fresh air to have decently updated packages WITH stability on my desktop and laptop.

I'm still Debian all the way for server and "LTS" computers, like my HTPC, but Fedora is killing it overall.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, Kubuntu has "decently updated packages WITH stability," too. It just has Snap that annoys me, but that probably annoys me less than command 'apt' not found would.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Snap and the stink of Canonical are the reason anything Ubuntu is not an option for me